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Iran repeatedly stated that they will not attack any country's assets if they do not assist the US/Israel. Most European countries have refused to take part, the UK decided to help so this seems like a very easy situation to have avoided.


> Iran repeatedly stated that they will not attack any country's assets if they do not assist the US/Israel

They’ve been doing this across the region. Some of this looks like individual commanders taking strategic decisions into their own hands. But it’s absolutely false that neutrality has protected anyone in the region.


Iran hasn't attacked Turkmenistan yet, so neutrality has protected them


> Iran hasn't attacked Turkmenistan yet

The fact that we have to pick out a single neighbour they haven’t attacked sort of lands the point.


Okay, Afghanistan as well. Afghanistan is obviously not neutral, but they haven't participated in supporting US-Israeli attack on Iran

How about now?


> Afghanistan as well

Sure, if you’re Turkmenistan or Afghanistan, the latter which is being bombed by Pakistan, you’re fine. Also if you’re Azerbaijan, fuck you.

What’s the argument? Like, Oman was trusted by parts of Tehran on diplomatic matters. They still got bombed. Trying to rationalize this is untenable—it was a stupid strategy of throwing toys out of the pram.


Doesn't look like you understood your own words about neutrality

Azerbaijan does intelligence cooperation with Israel, against Iran, so it's not a neutral party.

Oman, also shares their facilities to the US military.


That's right. Hosting military bases of the overlords that impose crippling sanctions that impoverish a nation on false premises is quite far away from a neutral country.

I didn't hear the neighbouring countries complain when Iran got attacked economically/financially and then later military.

Not exactly the behaviour of a fair neighbour.


They only attacked countries that host US bases, correct?


> only attacked countries that host US bases, correct?

No. Azerbaijan hosts no U.S. bases. Also, the Gulf hosts U.S. bases in part to protect against Iran. Blowing up hotels while missing American warships underlines why Iran is a shit neighbor.


Iran has said it was not them. So far Iran has been quite conscientious about taking responsibility of the targets they have hit or attempted to hit.

Israel on the other hand has a history of not being so.


> Iran has said it was not them

They’ve given mixed messages. You see the new talking points being echoed down thread [1].

> Iran has been quite conscientious about taking responsibility

There is no singular Iran. The President apologized. Then the IRGC hit more targets in neutral nations. (Again, unless we use the new definition of neutrality which means everyone is an enemy.)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474297


Your [1] and Iran's claim that it did not target Azerbaijan can both be true.

Yes there is no one central command, but in spite of that whoever is doing the shooting in Iran has been conscientious about taking responsibility.

I find this believable because Azerbaijan has not been hit again as compared to other neighbouring Arab nations.


From TFA:

> It is understood the attempted air strike occurred before the UK agreed to let the US use British military bases to hit Iranian sites targeting shipping through the Strait of Hormuz.



I don't think the article you linked disagrees with what I've quoted from the BBC, does it? Aircraft being present at the airbase isn't the same as aircraft launching for an attack from the airbase.


True on technicalities. If it isn't useful to the operation of the bombers in the region, why did it happen? And if it is useful that sounds like a UK base participating in the war


I'm no war strategist but I'd guess they did it to have them ready to strike Iran if needed. Diego Garcia has been used by UK/US joint operations in the Middle East since the Iraq War, it's not unusual to have American bombers stationed there when the US is on "high alert" or whatever.

To be clear, I'm not saying I support any of this Iran nonsense from Trump. I am very much against him meddling in the ME.


Except that Starmer was lying - there have been photos of bombs being loaded onto US bombers going around for at least several days now.


What photos? And what reason would Starmer have to lie about it?


What did Turkey do?


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Yeah, US/Israel won this war as quickly as Russia won their war with Ukraine. Incredible how much winning you can do once you get over-confident.


> destroying

The same Iran that just launched missiles at Diego Garcia, a critical American base? The same one that severely damaged Qatari LNG infrastructure two days ago? The same one that continues sending missile and drone attacks at various targets? Has effectively blocked the Strait of Hormuz and forced a +50% spike in oil prices? Ruled by the regime that has no intention of going anywhere?

We must have different definitions of destroyed.


No, the US/Israel are losing the war. Iran is successfully controlling the economic situation and continuously removing western forces from the Middle East. They are also successfully targeting Israel every day. There's very little support for this war in the US and Trump is on the ropes.


> US/Israel are losing the war

This is incorrect. It’s grinding to a stalemate.


The US just allowed Iran to sell their oil [1]. If that's not a sign that Iran has the upper hand, I don't know what is.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-authorizes-tempor...


> If that's not a sign that Iran has the upper hand

It’s not. The military history of trading with enemies doesn’t provide any clear guidance to advantage.


> Iran repeatedly stated that they will not attack any country's assets if they do not assist the US/Israel.

They attacked the UK in Cyprus at the start of the war back when the UK refused to allow any of it's bases to be used by the US. Stop spreading propaganda.




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