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I do not understand how this is anti-competitive. Please explain.



If there was a competitive market then Apple would release Google's search app to the App Store and allow iPhone users to choose which one to use. The author or the article suggests that Apple is intentionally delaying approval of the app to force iPhone users to use Siri. The author (and others) argue that this is anti-competitive.


I don’t see it. I think no one is arguing that the App Store is a free market – but I’m not sure how it’s possible to jump from that to Apple being anti-competitve. Why has the App Store be a free market for Apple to not be anti-competitive?


Because this is like a child that cries and scream that he is the best. A competitive behaviour would be releasing an actually decent app and let the users choose what to use.


How does that relate to the concept of anti-competitiveness? I do not see the connection.


Maybe it's an issue of meaning. "Anti-competitive practices are business or government practices that prevent or reduce competition in a market"

I think, the app store is a market. I also think, blocking, or even just delaying, entry to the market is anti competitive.

Google appears to be ready to go. Maybe their app violates the app store agreement somehow, and it's bouncing through the review process. Nonetheless, as an external observer, it looks like apple is dragging its feet. A review takes about two weeks, right? Four+ iterations seems like a lot.


Why the hell is the App Store a market?


I think "A market is one of many varieties of systems, institutions, procedures, social relations and infrastructures whereby parties engage in exchange. While parties may exchange goods and services by barter, most markets rely on sellers offering their goods or services (including labor) in exchange for money from buyers."

It seems to me there are many buyers and sellers in the app store.

I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point, but i'd be interested in you explaining your point of view. Hopefully, you would be kind enough to use more than 10 syllables.


after the last question I'm 90% positive he is trolling.


I’m not trolling. Of course the App Store is technically a market – just like my local supermarket is a market – but both are not free markets and no one would ever have the crazy idea of calling my local supermarket anti-competetive.

That’s the connection you are missing. You have to explain why, in your view, every market has to be a free market (or, at least, why the App Store should be a free market).

I think your view that the App Store has to be a free market is pretty crazy. I cannot understand it. I really do not understand how anti-competitveness figures into this.

Apple is one of many players in the mobile space, far from the largest. In light of that I really don’t see why they have to offer a free and open market. Why shouldn’t they be free to sell or not sell whatever they want?

P.S. I hate it when people say that someone is trolling just because they do not agree. That is so lazy and cheap.


Reading back over the thread, i think you're conflating market with free market. By definition, Apple has a market.

Apple can do whatever they want - it's their toy store. I'm not saying it must be a free market. There are two possibilities regarding the delay of the google app. 1, it's taking a long time to actually review the app. 2, Apple is delaying approval, hoping siri will get more market share.

The more time passes, the more it looks like 2 is the case.

Now, this is my speculation about how our thinking differs. You seem to think Apple would only ever do #2. That, because it is their toy store, they will actively quash competing apps, even apps that don't violate the terms of service. Or, at the very least, pay far more attention to threatening apps than a random fart app.

I'm more nieve than you, so I'm willing to allocate some probability to #1.


You keep saying that what I say is wrong but you do not explain why. So it's not like you are exposing a view on which someone can agree. And this is also the reason why you are being called a troll. Your comments were not an addition to the discussion but just a wall for an open mind.




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