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JVM exceptions are weird: a decompiler perspective (purplesyringa.moe)
111 points by vrnvu 10 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 26 comments




On the subject

  void foo() {
    for (;;) {
      try { return; } 
      finally { continue; }
    }
  }
is my favorite cursed Java exceptions construct.

To anyone wondering, I believe it's cursed because the finally continue blocks hijacks the try return, so the for loop never returns

So the function returns, and then during its tidyup, the 'continue' basically comefrom()s the VM back into the loop? That is, indeed, cursed.

see, if you only had GOTO's, this would be obvious what is going on!

Python has the same construct but is removing it, starting with a warning in version 3.14: https://peps.python.org/pep-0765/

Interesting .. from the post above:

> The projects examined contained a total of 120,964,221 lines of Python code, and among them the script found 203 instances of control flow instructions in a finally block. Most were return, a handful were break, and none were continue.

I don't really write a lot of Python, but I do write a lot of Java, and `continue` is the main control flow statement that makes sense to me within a finally block.

I think it makes sense when implementing a generic transaction loop, something along the lines of:

  <T> T executeTransaction(Function<Transaction, T> fn) {
    for (int tries = 0;; tries++) {
      var tx = newTransaction();
      try {
        return fn.apply(tx);
      } finally {
        if (!tx.commit()) {
          // TODO: potentially log number of tries, maybe include a backoff, maybe fail after a certain number
          continue;
        }
      }
    }
  }
In these cases "swallowing" the exception is often intentional, since the exception could be due to some logic failing as a result of inconsistent reads, so the transaction should be retried.

The alternative ways of writing this seem more awkward to me. Either you need to store the result (returned value or thrown exception) in one or two variables, or you need to duplicate the condition and the `continue;` behaviour. Having the retry logic within the `finally` block seems like the best way of denoting the intention to me, since the intention is to swallow the result, whether that was a return or a throw.

If there are particular exceptions that should not be retried, these would need to be caught/rethrown and a boolean set to disable the condition in the `finally` block, though to me this still seems easier to reason about than the alternatives.


Doesn't that code ignore errors even if it runs out of retries? Don't you want to log every Exception that happens, even if the transaction will be retried?

This code is totally rotten.


> Having the retry logic within the `finally` block seems like the best way of denoting the intention to me, since the intention is to swallow the result, whether that was a return or a throw.

Except that is not the documented intent of the `finally` construct:

  The finally block always executes when the try block exits. 
  This ensures that the finally block is executed even if an 
  unexpected exception occurs. But finally is useful for more 
  than just exception handling — it allows the programmer to 
  avoid having cleanup code accidentally bypassed by a 
  return, continue, or break. Putting cleanup code in a 
  finally block is always a good practice, even when no 
  exceptions are anticipated.[0]
Using `finally` for implementing retry logic can be done, as you have illustrated, but that does not mean it is "the best way of denoting the intention." One could argue this is a construct specific to Java (the language) and does not make sense outside of this particular language-specific idiom.

Conceptually, "retries" are not "cleanup code."

0 - https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/exceptions...


Sounds like the right intent to me. To pinpoint your existing quote from the documentation:

> The finally block always executes when the try block exits. This ensures that the finally block is executed even if an unexpected exception occurs.

The intent of the transaction code is that the consistency is checked (using `tx.commit()`) "even if an unexpected exception occurs".

I'm not sure how else to interpret that to be honest. If you've got a clearer way of expressing this, feel free to explain.


There was a recent talk at PYCON UK about it, by one of the authors of the PEP in question: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrVXgeD2fts>

Just tested that in C# and it seems they made the smart decision to not allow shenanigans like that in a finally block:

CS0157 Control cannot leave the body of a finally clause


What about throwing an exception from the finally clause?

In JDK 25, you can run this code:

    $ cat App.java

    void main() {
      for (;;) {
        try { return; } 
        finally { continue; }
      }
    }

    $ java App.java

That's not just Java and there is nothing really cursed about it: throwing in a finally block is the most common example. Jump statements are no different, you can't just ignore them when they override the return or throw statements.

It is just Java as far as I can tell. Other languages with a finally don't allow for explicitly exiting the finally block.

And JavaScript .. And Python (though as sibling posts have mentioned it looks like they're intending to make a breaking change to remove it).

EDIT: actually, the PEP points out that they intend for it to only be a warning in CPython, to avoid the breaking change


Notably, C++ and similar languages don't support lexical `finally` at all, instead relying on destructors, which are a function and obviously cannot affect the control flow of their caller ...

except by throwing exceptions, which is a different problem that there's no "good" solution to (during unwinding, that is).


I thought destructors were all noexcept now... or at the very least if you didn't noexcept, and then threw something, it just killed the process.

Although, strictly speaking, they could have each exception also hold a reference to the prior exception that caused the excepting object to be destroyed. This forms an intrusive linked list of exceptions. Problem is, in C++ you can throw any value, so there isn't exactly any standard way for you to get the precursor exception, or any standard way for the language to tell the exception what its precursor was. In Python they could just add a field to the BaseException class that all throwables have to inherit from.


It is Java as C# disallow this

> override the return

How is this not cursed


This is exceedingly nasty. Well Done!

Nice post!

A minor point:

> monitors are incompatible with coroutines

If by coroutines the author meant virtual threads, then monitors have always been compatible with virtual threads (which have always needed to adhere to the Thread specification). Monitors could, for a short while, degrade the scalability of virtual threads (and in some situations even lead to deadlocks), but that has since been resolved in JDK 24 (https://openjdk.org/jeps/491).


I think it's coroutines as in other JVM languages like Kotlin, where yielding may be implemented internally as return (due to lack of native coroutine support in JVM).

Holding a lock/monitor across a yield is a bad idea for other reasons, so it shouldn't be a big deal in practice.


Doesn't JRE has some limited form of decompilation in its JIT, as a pre-pass? IIRC, it reconstructs the basic blocks and CFG from the bytecode and does some minor optimizations before going on to regalloc and codegen.

It's hard to call it decompilation as opposed to just regular compilation though.

Older versions of Java did try to have only one copy of the finally block code. To implement this, there were "jsr" and "ret" instructions, which allowed a method (a subroutine) to contain subroutines inside it. This even curseder implementation of finally is prohibited starting from version 51 class files (Java 7).



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