I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. I think Elon...

bsder · 2025-09-25T20:57:34 1758833854

> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI.

Not even close.

The vast majority of people have a small number of local routes completely memorized and do station keeping in between on the big freeways.

You can see this when signage changes on some local route and absolute chaos ensues until all the locals re-memorize the route.

Once Waymo has memorized all those local routes (admittedly a big task), it's done.

zulban · 2025-09-25T21:15:15 1758834915

> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI.

Yikes.

I recommend you take some introductory courses on AI and theory of computation.

GOD_Over_Djinn · 2025-09-25T21:21:34 1758835294

You should either elaborate on your argument, or at least provide further reading that clarifies your point of contention. This kind of low effort nerd-sniping contributes nothing.

zulban · 2025-09-25T21:35:29 1758836129

Responding to ridiculous uncited wild comments doesn't require a phd thesis paper, my friend.

jeremyjh · 2025-09-25T21:32:25 1758835945

GP's statement is completely unsupported, the burden is on them.

gf000 · 2025-09-25T22:06:34 1758837994

It's commonly brought up saying, and I don't think it's too far from the truth.

Driving under every condition requires a very deep level of understanding of the word. Sure, you can get to like 60% by a simple robot vacuum logic, and to like 90% with what e.g. Waymo does. But the remaining 10% is crazy complex.

What about a plastic bag floating around on a highway? The car can see it, but is it an obstacle to avoid? Should it slam the brakes? And there are a bunch of other extreme examples (what about a hilly road on a Greek island where people just honk to notify the other side that they are coming, without seeing them?)

dboreham · 2025-09-26T05:25:32 1758864332

That comment isn't going to age well.

nutjob2 · 2025-09-25T22:06:49 1758838009

> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI.

You can do 99% of it without AGI, but you do need it for the last 1%.

Unfortunately, the same is true for AGI.

tekno45 · 2025-09-25T20:29:10 1758832150

So waymo has AGI?

gf000 · 2025-09-25T22:12:05 1758838325

They deliberately (and smartly) set their working limits to what they can solve - known city, always decent weather conditions. And they still added a way for a remote operator to solve certain situations.

So no, they don't have AGI and there is a lot to reach "working under every condition everywhere" levels of self-driving.