And most of America would gladly trade out Trump, Vance and the current crop of idiots in favor of Jimmy Carter or Bush the Lesser any day of the week.
That's how far the steward class of this nation has fallen.
> And most of America would gladly trade out Trump, Vance and the current crop of idiots in favor of Jimmy Carter or Bush the Lesser any day of the week.
I doubt that. In the 2024 election he won the electoral college handily and also won the popular vote. Kind of hard to argue he wasn’t America’s choice.
He was under 1% of the popular vote for 2024, so not handedly, he didn't even get close the previous two times. If we didn't have DEI for red states, aks electoral college he would have never been president. Only 25ish% of Americans voted for him this last time so what are you getting at? Unless he goes full dictator, I imagine Republicans are in trouble once their daddy is gone.
That 25% turns out to over 77 million people. Reducing voting results to percentages is a bit silly in my opinion. We both major parties, including minority parties, are composed of autonomous individuals with individual worldviews that are shaped by their unique life experiences that are capable of sharing their ideas with others while simultaneously consuming new ideas, including those from faceless actors who may have a vested interest in seeing a particular group rise to power, then act on them.
I have yet to see either major party present some message where some level of respect is required to even acknowledge that someone thinks differently than another, irrespective of the validity of their ideas, even if it’s completely illogical. The mainstream discourse I read typically descends into insults, which doesn’t help anything.
However, I feel we’re past a point in which this is even possible given the polarization of viewpoints. That snowball has been rolling for over two decades it seems.
>... and also won the popular vote. Kind of hard to argue he wasn’t America’s choice.
I guess the smartass ("teeeeechnically") way to argue against that is that for the popular vote Harris/Walz won 48.34%, Trump/Vance won 48.81%, and "other" candidates got 1.85%, for a total of 50.19% to Trump/Vance's 48.81%.
And that's not even counting the people who didn't vote. Most of whom have definitely had enough of Trump at this point.
Sometimes I think the political types and the elites don't realize how big of a minority they represent because they live in echo chambers that always tell them what they want to hear.
Maybe the Democrats should have presented a cohesive and attractive proposition to them? It's not like they didn't just have four years to build and enact one and then campaign on it instead of chasing the donor class for the nth time!
> Sometimes I think the political types and the elites don't realize how big of a minority they represent because they live in echo chambers that always tell them what they want to hear.
Coming to that conclusion yet not realizing that it applies perfectly to your own negative opinion of President Trump is pretty funny.
I get reminded, with my votes for independent parties, of how big a minority I represent in this nation literally every election. The difference between you and I is that I know I'm in the minority. Conservative and liberal voters feel they are in the majority. You're actually shocked that so many people are vehemently opposed to your policies. You genuinely believe the entire world believes in the policies you believe in because, surprise, surprise, everyone in your world does believe in those policies.
In other words, your "echo chamber" has fooled you.
That is what's dangerous. Getting taken in by your own propaganda. In the military back in the day they called it Incestuous Amplification.
Whatever. Not worth trying to explain. Just try to do yourself a favor and remember that the purpose of your propaganda is to fool the enemy, not yourself.
I’m not shocked that about half the country doesn’t agree. I just find it funny that that half of the country does not realize that the other half of the country is still half of a country.
Let's do the math, the population of the US is roughly 340M, Trump got 77M votes in 2024. That is 22.65% of Americans. So nowhere near half, not even a full quarter. Approx 174M are eligible to vote, so not even close to being half because more than half of the population doesn't, won't or can't vote.
If you're going to ascribe intentions to the non-voting public, then sure you can come up with whatever stats you'd like. I don't see how any of that is meaningful. You're just taking your own personal biases and echo chamber, and assuming that the entire non-voting public shares your views.
The only hard facts we have are the actual votes that were cast. And of those he came out on top of in both the electoral college and the popular vote. Any other interpretation is an attempt to weasel out of those undeniable truths.
That's how far the steward class of this nation has fallen.