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I feel very lucky to have grown up with a huge (~ 75 cm diameter) globe as a centerpiece in the living room; I never ended up with Mercator-derived misconceptions in the first place.

Related: amazing video about map projections: https://youtu.be/bpp0xCknQAQ?si=AL-Qt36AeUH_oSeI

I really enjoy this! I wish it would also support cities, it would help me get a better sense of the size of a city to compare it to one I'm familiar with already. But I guess city limits are less well defined that country limits. Anyway, great project!

Use this site for that https://acme.com/same_scale/. It lets you compare any two map views at the same scale.

That site only seems lock the zoom value of the two maps together, not correct for distortions. E.g. zoom in on Svalbard on one side and the Democratic Republic of the Congo on the other. Svalbard appears larger despite being many times smaller. This means if you zoom into Longyearbyen it will appear several times larger than it should compared to say Kinshasa.

Longyearbyen is a pathological example but it's quite easy to end up thinking a city in the UK is ~1.75 linearly and ~3x by area compared to one on the equator using this site.


+1 for cities

I've been using, and sharing, this site for several years. I think it's excellent. The two things I'd like to see are the provinces, at least in larger countries, and large bodies of water. I'd like to be able to drag Ontario, Lake Superior, the Caspian Sea, New South Wales, and so on, around the way you can with countries and US states.

Pretty neat. One tip it took me a while to realize is that after you tap on a country, the compass rose (now the same color as the country) can be used to rotate it.

But why do countries rotate to the left as you drag them north and rotate to the right as you drag them south?


It's a widely observed phenomenon that as a country start to go south it moves to the right.

This explains much of the current global political situation.


I think part of that is an illusion, since for something bowing upwards, the usualy anchor point of top left seems rotated clockwise.

But there is still a real rotation - look at wyoming or colorado for a perfect rectangle. My guess is the div element isn't quite centered - perhaps too much padding on the right edge, causing the center point to be off to the right. So when it bows you get the rotation bias


What a nice well made tool. I was shocked how massive Algeria is! Maybe larger than half of Europe. And Tunisia which is a tiny country in my head, seems to be not tiny at all.

Algeria is about 23.4% the size of Europe.

It's interesting to me how the large countries are roughly similarly sized. Canada, Australia, US, Brazil, China, Russia, India are all within a factor of 2, and it shows when you drag it across eachother. India and Russia as outliers slightly.

Russia is literally 5 times bigger than India

Mercator projection striking again.

The largest surprise for me (besides the massive size of Africa and South America of course) was that Australia has roughly the same area as the entire US. Somehow I had always imagined it smaller.


I wish schools would stop using it so much. Mercator is useful, yes. But having good size comparisons is much more important for most everyday tasks.

It's useful for navigation in the open ocean without satnav or even a chronometer, which is what it was designed for in the 1500s. Not for much else.

Is the use of Mercator in schools common, globally? Based on what I've read on the internet it's common in the US, but I have no idea about other countries. In Finland I think I only ever saw Robinson or Winkel-tripel type compromise projections. Mercator was maybe used as an example of how projections distort things.


German is Mercator only. Learned about different projection on the internet years after school

Huh. Swede here. Went to school in the 80:ies and 90:ies. Only ever saw Mercator. Perhaps things have changed since.

It preserves angles, which is what makes it useful in navigation. Mercator is bad at relative sizes for places far apart, but when you look at a small patch shapes are less distorted. For that reason, online maps use a version of Mercator.

I wonder if Mercator maps that aren't aligned with the equator would already do the trick. (pinging Randall Munroe)

A flat map on a wall does not take any three-dimensional space. You can't say the same for a globe, though!

Wow - in my head, Australia was somehow ~20-25% the size of US (I'm from Europe) - really surprising, and shows how misleading the projection can be in this regard.

Brazil is the largest surprise for me. It's an absolute massive country.

Wikipedia says contiguous USA is smaller, 95% of Brazil size.

It's interesting how Russia appears to only be about twice as large as the United States or China, but on a typical map it looks at least 3-4 times larger.

So much tech that can be accomplished by just using Waterman butterfly, Peters, Dymaxion or any of a host of other projections.

If you drag something large over so it covers the south pole the shading can invert so that only the region covering the south pole is unshaded.

That's how I proved that the actual size of Australia is approximately 90% of the area of the globe. Who knew the mercator projection could be so confusing! :)


Gall Peters Projection scene (From "The West Wing" S2E16) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY

Every time I end up on this website I'm reminded how small my country, Belgium, truly is.

It's about half of my state in Brazil (which is one of the smallest in the country). However, I've been to Belgium many times and it feels bigger. I think the key is the population density: 388/km^2 in Belgium vs 70/km^2 here. Like, yes, it's big, but empty space is truly boring.

I wish Europe (EU) could be selected as a common entity. The continents as well.

Would increase the data maintenance requirements from ~0 to >0 since the EU grows and shrinks every so often

I wish people learnt that (a) European Union is not Europe, and (b) Europe is a continent.

We need a new world map that accurately portrays countries by size. The downstream effects would go crazy.

> The downstream effects would go crazy.

Wars are won with tanks^W drones, not by measuring the area in a map. Laypeople may be confused, but when a government decides to invade another country or add some economical penalty, they know the real data like real-world-surface, GDP, number of weapons, ...


>a new world map that accurately portrays countries by size.

Search for "equal-area" in the list of map projections: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections

You can see that any translation from 3D sphere to 2D plane will always create a tradeoff of geometry somewhere. E.g. Distorted shapes and lines, torn oceans, etc.


There's already several, Gall Peters being the most (in)famous. Other than accurately showing size, such maps are pretty useless. Mercator is actually useful for navigation because it maintains angles, all "size accurate" projections have to sacrifice that.

You think that doesn't exist? You think the cartographers and mathematicians in Mercater's age were just sitting on their hands?

> The downstream effects would go crazy.

I used to say "No human being who has ever lived has made a consequential decision because 'Greenland big brah' and people just need to get over it."

But given the current administration, I...


Like a globe?

Like a globe, but flat, and make sure angles stay accurate so you can still use a compass effectively.

slightly off topic but it should be a crime for a website hijacking the back button

It should be a crime for web browser letting the back button be hijacked in the first place!

It shuld be a crime for web browsers to download and execute code as a matter of loading a page.

Nothing is "hijacked"; it just sets the hash to allow permalinks. It should probably actually load the state when pressing back (or replace the current entry instead of adding a new one). But that's just a bug and not malice, as some seem to assume.

omg brazil is huge

Brazil is huge.

Very nice

No wonder china is investing so heavily into Africa, including having Chinese settle there.

Oh my - history spam. I had to long-press the back button to find this HN page again.



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