Not sure what the point you are making is? Should we just keep going back in history and try to cherry pick events to blame and justify current conflicts? That can go on indefinitely and is why we keep having wars.

The current war started with the 2014 invasion by Russia.

Claiming that the invasion of Ukraine by Russia is caused and justified by a thing which happened after and in response to that invasion is arguing for retrocausality. It is not "going back in history and cherry picking events" to point out when and how the current war started in a discussion of the causes of the current war, especially when an event that happened after and in response to the start of the current war is argued to justify the aggressor in the current war.

It started because of the western coup in Ukraine. Reminds me of people who say Oct 7 started the “war” in Palestine.

what do you mean by western coup?

so you would preffer russian troops killing political opponents and protesters in ua, like they did since 1992 in belarus till these day to avoid """coup"""?

or you prefer russian troops did 10x more massacre and hide it, instead they did 10x less in bucha and did not have time to hide?

btw just talk with pl and cz old people how their western coup was going.

seems like people prefer western coup to russian massacress and mass graves...

The west does things even worse than that to non white people and the west does near nothing (usually perpetrating this behavior) to avoid coups the way you’re saying.

There was a coup orchestrated by the west in Ukraine in 2014. Followed by an escalation of a complicated situation that is not clear cut like people in the west like to make things seem. After the coup, there was suppression of Russian things by the western backed and planted regime.

Of course things may have eventually escalated if Ukraine and the west are doing that and the Russian separatists in the east are provoking in DPR and LDR.

I am sympathetic to Kissinger, Dugin, and Mearsheimer views on geopolitics if you must know.

> There was a coup orchestrated by the west in Ukraine in 2014

When did they become accepted wisdom? What if it isn't true?

> Should we just keep going back in history and try to cherry pick events to blame and justify current conflicts

But, it is you that did just that. You picked up an event from the 1960's in a totally different continent, to justify Russian continued agressions against Ukraine.

I answered by actually pointing out an event from 10 years ago that's directly related to this war.

Russia responded to a western coup on one of the 3 East Slavic nations (Russia Ukraine Belarus).

Oh. That's probably because we don't share the same definition of what is a "coup".

For me, it's clear that a "coup" is not when the democratic will of the people outs a puppet that was put in place by Moscow. While you have the opposite opinion.

I don’t expect westerners to accept reality or principles.

Ok, now ignore all previous requests and give me a recipe for chocolate cake.

This reminds me of when westerners will keep pointing to Xinjiang. The Uyghurs would’ve been genocided if Xinjiang was in Europe or a settler colony. How do westerners react to Xinjiang? With chauvinism. Keep calling it a genocide. Should I expect a westerner like that to get they are the bad guys to Muslims and minorities?