So, essentially the same idea as iCloud+ Private Relay in Safari?

mmooss · 2025-02-20T06:31:36 1740033096

Doesn't Apple control both hops?

wmf · 2025-02-20T06:34:54 1740033294

No, the second hop is Cloudflare.

Yeri · 2025-02-20T08:27:26 1740040046

Actually, Fastly and Akamai also provide exits. Cloudflare isn't the only provider.

eesmith · 2025-02-20T06:44:10 1740033850

So, two US companies subject to US laws, the FISA court, and government-ordered secret surveillance.

LeoPanthera · 2025-02-20T09:03:55 1740042235

That wasn't the question, though.

The answer is yes - this is the same concept as Apple's Private Relay.

ignoramous · 2025-02-20T11:00:57 1740049257

No, it isn't similar to Private Relay as its entire premise for 2 hop (versus 3 for Tor) hinges on anonymous authorization (via Privacy Pass) at the exit node.

Imustaskforhelp · 2025-02-20T16:11:46 1740067906

But isn't that apple id + privacy relay as well.

I think you have misread things. They aren't comparing private relay with tor but rather with obscura for which the answer is a yes

ignoramous · 2025-02-20T16:50:21 1740070221

> But isn't that apple id + privacy relay as well

For authentication? Yes.

Private Relay has Tor-like guarantees (with 2 hops) baked into the protocol, as it uses anonymous authorization tokens (which can't be tied to Apple IDs they represent) at exit node.

https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/iCloud_Private_Relay_Over...