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Louisiana to end mass vaccine promotion, state's top health official says (apnews.com)
72 points by petethomas 3 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 42 comments



One of the reasons the State promoted vaccinations is because it keeps healthcare costs lower. It should be obvious that preventing a disease is cheaper than treating a disease.

Here’s a quote from the press release: [1]

> Every business owner knows that to promote one thing, you must choose not to promote something else. We saw many examples of this over the past four years, in which people missed routine screenings and cancers went undiagnosed. Treatment for substance abuse was put on the back burner as deaths from opioid overdoses skyrocketed. Mental health disorders were left unattended, spilling over into crises of homelessness and crime. In Louisiana, maternal and infant mortality remain near the worst in the nation. All the while, chronic disease rates continue creeping up to crisis levels. These are the post-pandemic priorities of the Louisiana Department of Health.

So they are saying promoting vaccines means they didn’t get to promote cancer screenings of mental health? I am doubtful this change will move the needle on those other issues.

1. https://ldh.la.gov/news/7478


> In Louisiana, maternal and infant mortality remain near the worst in the nation.

If they stop mass vaccination, they seem likely to experience infant mortality due to measles (which is currently not much of an issue due to mass vaccination, as infants are too young to receive the vaccine themselves). And pertussis (quite dangerous to infants, and expectant mothers and caregivers are frequently advised to get extra vaccine doses to minimize risk to the infants).

Oh, and while hemolytic disease of the newborn isn’t managed by a vaccine per se, the same group of people seem to dislike the mitigation. Treating it is surely far more expensive than preventing it.


The surgeon general of Louisiana was formerly a U.S. House Representative. Luke Letlow was his campaign chairman and his chief of staff, almost certainly one of the Surgeon General's closest and most trusted colleagues. Luke Letlow died of COVID when he was 41 years old leaving behind a widow and two children.

From Luke Letlow's wikipedia page:

Despite the COVID-19 pandemic, Letlow wore a mask only sporadically during his campaign, and was photographed speaking indoors to constituents when masks were not being worn by him or those gathered.[14] In October, he had encouraged Louisiana officials to relax pandemic restrictions, warning, "We're now at a place if we do not open our economy, we're in real danger."


Reminds me of the Herman Cain award.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain_Award

Here is a tweet from Herman Cains Twitter posted on 30 August 2020:

> It looks like the virus is not as deadly as the mainstream media first made it out to be.

Note that he had already died of COVID one month prior to this tweet on 30 July 2020


The problem with this is that he had been diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer in 2006. It is rare for a person with stage IV cancer to survive for another 14 years. He received treatment but most likely eventually he would have died anyway. Covid may have fastened his demise but his odds of dying were quite high even without covid.


A person at high risk of dying from a respiratory virus ignored public health warnings then got a respiratory virus and died. I think the surgeon general should consider this as a terrible object lesson in the value of protecting vulnerable populations.


I was actually commenting for Herman Cain. Sorry, for this mistake.

Yes, they made announcements without clearly thinking how they will be perceived. I agree that it was unnecessary and then dying suddenly didn't look good.

Nevertheless, if I had a situation like where I know for sure that my odds are not great, I would do the same. I would live full life today because tomorrow I could be dead. Herman Cain most likely knew that he is not going to last long. It didn't make sense for him to be afraid of death and isolate for indefinite period of time. His bravery is an example to follow.


I don’t see how not wearing a mask in crowded places is “brave.”


We now know that masks were barely effective or not effective at all. They could even be net negative by causing people to take more risks.

Isolating was the only way. A lot of elderly in the UK did this successfully and never got covid. Lockdowns, masks and schools closures did not affect the spread significantly. We know this because Sweden did not mandate these things and had about the same amount of people getting covid until vaccines arrived. The benefits were that Sweden had less mortality from other causes.


A well-fitted N95 mask is almost perfectly effective. I have been in a number of situations where my maskless companions got COVID but I (wearing a 3M Aura) did not.


That applies only to lab conditions. No RCTs have found much effectiveness so far in real life.


I'm sorry, but that is some absurd nonsense if we're talking about N95 masks and not surgical masks. You have been misinformed.


The RTCs didn't find significant difference between N95 and surgical masks in hospital settings.

How can a request for evidence be absurd?


Bravery is when you put others at risk.


Thank you for the context.


I once thought mass access to the internet would make society more intelligent and intellectual.. boy was I wrong.


We were all optimists back then.

We should have burned the thing to the ground. I'll go a bit further: we should never have made easy-to use computers.


Turns out, the masses don't want to actually learn.

What they want to do is share what they think, and only read things that they agree with.


Not sure it is solely "the masses" that engage in that behavior.


Seemed safer to say than "everyone", because there's always exceptions.


This is an old mistake. But don't make the other old mistake, of putting too much power in the hands of a few who seem more promising than the rest.


Too late.


I wonder if Neil Postman would have wanted to live long enough to see Twitter founded.


I guess when they said they wanted to bring back high-tech manufacturing, they were also talking about iron lungs.


With the cost of healthcare and insurance company denial rates in this country? You better hope you can hold your breath.


I feel bad for all those kids being hurt or even killed by preventable diseases but I guess this is what people want.


It's what they voted for. Maybe they'll pay a little more attention next time.


The kids being hurt didn't vote for this.

A bunch of kids are going to die before reaching voting age because of this.


What we really need in this country is a really deadly virus and a really good vaccine to prevent it. That would solve a lot of problems


With any luck, over time, the anti-vax problem will effectively solve itself.


Sadly kids can’t choose whether they want vaccines or not. They’re the victims of this policy, not their parents.

Raw milk however is a self limiting problem. With the increasing rates of TB in the Midwest and a disdain of medicinal science becoming a political stance, cows are bound to start catching it one of these days. Bovine TB will set the tone on pasteurization real fast.


It still will work itself out. I have no sympathy for people or their families who get exactly what they voted for.

See also: Arab Americans who voted for Trump and now regret it because of his stated policy in Gaza.


We've gotta be the dumbest empire in history


That we know of.


One state not to visit.


One of many states as I suspect more will follow suit.

Take Montana[1] for instance as they're likely will ban vaccines very soon.

[1] https://nbcmontana.com/newsletter-daily/proposed-bill-would-...


We're through the looking glass now.


Mental note: a startup catering to Polio victims...


Would polio victims, on average, have enough spending power to make it worth it?


At least health insurance should cost more on the "Vaccine Freedom" regions. I would expect insurers would want to adjust to new risks governments create.


The united states has a great socialised healthcare system. Its called gofundme. So I reckon yes.


I like Gofundme for healthcare because it attaches a layer of meritocracy on top of the fight for survival. You need to be popular/pretty/hot enough to get traction. If you are not, you die.

Just to be clear, I’m being sarcastic.




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