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>You need to convince other people single payer health care is the right policy.

I think we've effectively already done that. What people actually want does not impact the way in which our government functions, despite popular belief.

The people in this country have absolutely no power and are tired of it. You can't vote out a parasitic system that exists only to extract as much from you as possible. The people who "represent" us only focus on culture war bullshit INTENTIONALLY, to distract from the fact that the one of two preselected candidates we have basically represent the same despicable capitalists and their same interests of stripping us of everything you have so they can have more shit they don't need, while the rest of us are fighting over their droppings.




> What people actually want does not impact the way in which our government functions, despite popular belief.

The US just elected a president despite a years-long coordinated media and legal effort to make him disappear, along with multiple assassination attempts. So, yes, what the people want does actually matter. They just don't happen to want what you think they should want.


> So, yes, what the people want does actually matter.

No, it doesn't. Unless what they want aligns with what the ruling class and interest groups want. [0] The propaganda arm of the ruling class, of course, endeavors to get the public on their side precisely because violence ensues when they push too far without public buy-in.

[0]: https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c...


Do you think the ruling class wanted Trump elected?


The ruling class isn't a monolith (see the linked study), but the consensus is yes:

https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donor...

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaire-clans-spend-...

The ruling class used its propaganda arm to manufacture consent for "I don't like him as a person, but he's good for the economy". I imagine this also represents many of their own views on Trump: what they appear to support is not necessarily what they support. That is, they might very publicly and loudly say they don't like him, but they love to see their decreased tax payment come tax season.

None of this is ideologically binary though. The ruling class is going to support whatever it thinks will allow it to continue to be the ruling class. They're not always in 100% agreement on what that is (or, at least, they want to have that appearance). If they aren't careful (and they haven't been as of late) and continue to whittle away at the populace's material conditions, it will lead to more violence, and possibly violent revolution.


How do you try to make someone disappear by talking about and showing video of them every day?


You talk about them as a "threat to democracy" in hopes some homicidal lunatic will take it to heart.


I contend that The People don't know what they want


And four years before that they elected a literal corpse because they were so sick of Donald Trump. And yet, somehow, the 2024 election was borderline the same.

Did literally anyone want Trump v Biden v 2.0? No. Literally nobody wanted that.

Did anyone actually want Kamala? No. Literally nobody wanted that.

>coordinated media and legal effort to make him disappear

Donald Trump is the most reported-on person of the past 10 years. This sentence does not make sense.

>along with multiple assassination attempts

You put this in the same sentence to make it seem like his "assassins" were on the same page as the media. They were not. Both of them were highly ineffective and downright cringey with their plans.


Yet one very nearly succeeded.


> I think we've effectively already done that.

You definitely haven't. Lots of Americans would be deeply unhappy if single payer healthcare were implemented tomorrow. Say what you will about whether they should be convinced, but they haven't been.


The majority is convinced. Nearly 70% support Medicare for All across multiple polls and that’s with the leadership of both major parties, corporate interests, and news media aligned against.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/494602-pol...


Who? Insurance employees?


There's research that supports this. The laws that get passed depend on corporate, not public support.

It's why academics have been referring to the US as an oligarchy for a while now.


>The people in this country have absolutely no power and are tired of it. You can't vote out a parasitic system that exists only to extract as much from you as possible. The people who "represent" us only focus on culture war bullshit INTENTIONALLY, to distract from the fact that the one of two preselected candidates we have basically represent the same despicable capitalists and their same interests of stripping us of everything you have so they can have more shit they don't need, while the rest of us are fighting over their droppings.

I miss old-school conspiracy theorists like Ron Unz who actually have sophisticated arguments for what they believe.

The internet is now full of handwavey conspiratorial BS that's "not even wrong". Who is writing all of this stuff?

At least the 9/11 truthers made specific false claims.


me: "The rich steal from the poor and use politics to divide and distract them"

this guy: "You're literally a 9/11 level conspiracy theorist!!!!!"


Again, the distinction I'm drawing is: 9/11 conspiracy theorists at least tried to present factual arguments for their claims. You haven't done so, and I don't think you ever will. (Insofar as your "claims" can even be hammered down -- they're incredibly vague.)

It's not a point in your favor that your flavor of conspiratorial thinking is so widespread despite its thin evidence base.

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-doesnt-really-have-a-w...




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