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I remember Flint every time I see a Reddit crusader make the claim that bottled water is no better than water from the tap.



It really depends where you are. Every municipality has different water.

If you're downstream of a bunch of 19th-century dye factory locations, you may be better off with bottled water.

If your tap water is of high quality, bottled water is likely worse due to microplastics from the bottle.


Chicago had awesome tasting tap water when I lived there.

It was like drinking straight from the lake in the spring.*

*may not be wise


As someone within the Chicago sphere who now lives on an artisean perched aquifer well, I'm guessing you can't taste chlorine.

(Jokes aside yes Chicago water is phenomenal and Geneva, IL is even better. Take a tour some day or try out the local brewerys that use that water. https://www.geneva.il.us/516/Water-Treatment-Plant)


There's more checks in place to assure that your government water is handled appropriately. A corporation will sell you anything and then declare bankruptcy to let the owners profit off the fraud.

A government can inefficiently check over and over again that the supply it is providing is pure. A corporation is only beholding to its shareholders, where inefficiency is always a negative, regardless of its positive externalities.


If you have competent government bottled water shouldn't be better than tap. I prefer tap because I find bottled tastes too little.


How could anyone know if their state government is competent?

What if it's mostly competent, but the agency in charge of the water supply is the bad apple that spoils the whole bunch?


How could anyone know if the for-profit corporation selling them water is competent?

If a bottled water company decided they could save a tiny amount switching to a plastic type that was legal but might give you cancer in 10 years, do you trust them not to do that?

Anyone making that decision is thinking short term. By the time the harm becomes public they've enriched themselves and left.

Government is less likely to knowingly poison you, and is probably about equally likely to unknowingly poison you.


Is anyone involved in the Flint, MI crisis in prison right now?

Private companies are not immune from consequences.

I agree that it's still possible to be poisoned by bottled water, but there are a greater number of incentives in place to lessen the likelihood of it happening.


The problem is that it's the job of the government to ensure that private companies meet their consequences.

So, if you cannot trust government, you cannot trust private companies to not poison you either. I guess it's possible to have governments break down just enough to screw up the local water supply while not quite rolling in the bed with multinational companies yet, but I doubt such an arrangement would be stable for long.


There are free market consequences as well though. People at large very easily get spooked by a brand when numerous alternatives are available.


Of course! The free market consequences of people switching en-masse to another brand owned by the same conglomerate :)


Isn't it what happened after a river contamination/Chemical spill scandal in WV?

The company declared bankruptcy rather than pay the cleanup bills, but the owner and executives just started a new one, hired the same management, and everything is fine (for them), since taxpayers paid for the cleanup?

I think the name of the company was "Freedom Industries", which makes it even more of a typical american "urban legend", but it is actually true.

[edit] just looked it up, its called "Elk river cheminal spill" on wikipedia, and the exec actually used the same address and the same phone number to set up Lexycon LLC, the new company: they know they'll get away, they don't care to hide anymore.


Market consequences for something like drinking water is such a wild concept. Forget lead, imagine how many can get dysentery before the bottled water business stops blaming random local Chinese restaurants the consumer went to the day before.


Sure, the survivors can swap to a new brand. Shame for everyone who died in the cholera outbreak though.

Better hope that new brand isn't just the old one with a new label slapped on.


If you're concerned about this kind of thing, the only rational way to go about it is to test your water regularly (whether you drink from the tap or buy it bottled). Everything else is basically putting your trust in a bunch of random people whom you don't really know.


Welp, time to build my own water lab


Time to croudsource your water monitoring {1}

1. https://hackaday.com/2022/04/02/monitoring-water-quality-usi...


> How could anyone know if their state government is competent?

One way of knowing would be that you can see trustworthy water testing. That there are consequences (political, legal) for public officials when there is wrongdoing. That society seems to function.

How would you know a company bottling water isn't incompetent?


> If you have competent government

That's the biggest "if" I've ever seen.


With competent government, many big problems would disappear!


That's an oxymoron. You might temporarily have competent individuals in government, but the organization as a whole is not incentivized for competence.

Same goes for corporations, especially bigger ones.


The water authority in every county I have ever lived publish annual water reports with extensive information about water sources, quality, and composition results.

Do companies like Coke and Pepsi do that?


In some countries.


To be fair, most of the time they're correct - at least as far as US tap water goes. Events like this are remembered because they are remarkable, not because they are normal.


Is that because we assume that bottled water has more rigorous testing or ... ? Because seems like a failure at the top could cause just the same issues.


Ironically, if nothing else, private bottled water would not be covered by state immunity.


When you run spring water through reverse osmosis and “add minerals for taste”, this is true.

When you bottle spring water as it comes out of the spring, now that’s very different.


Bottled water is most often filtered municipal water anyway.


Bottled water is no better than water from the tap*.

*Except in Flynt.

Bottled water also has around a 1600x markup.


Flint, MI is hardly the only case of this happening in the 21st century.


Aware


Never lived somewhere with tap water you can smell, I guess?




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