The only thing I prefer the mac M3 PRO (work), hardware wise, to my MSI w/4060 and 64GB ram, is the battery life. Everything runs slower on my mac. There are some niceties (the color filter for my color-blindness, for example, and the keychain), but not a fan of

* lack of usb ports necessitating dongles * lack of hdmi/dvi outs * No camera lens cover * Uncomfortable chiclet keyboard * oversized touchpad * overheating * lack of power cores leads to slower parallel compilations

I do appreciate the ease of use of (especially) the network utilities of mac, but it's definitely not my preferred machine.

> Please name a competitor with better laptop hardware (I assume your workplace provided you with a laptop).

My workplace provides me with a MacBook yes.

I honestly prefer using my 5 year old Dell G5.

I absolutely hate MacBook screen. It's reflexive, whereas I very much favor the matte finish of basically every other manufacturer.

Fan noise for me is essentially irrelevant. Not that my Dell makes that much noise anyway. I am normally listening to music while I work, and when gaming there's in game sound.

Speaker quality is shit on either laptop. My cheap speaker/subwoofer set that is connected to the docking system is leagues better than the laptop speaker (that I never use anyway).

Touchpad is... as bad as any other touchpad? I use a mouse for a reason.

Battery life is the only thing a MacBook would have in its favor. Again, irrelevant. 99% of the time it is plugged into power.

MacBook comes with a major downside of being tied to OSX however. This cannot be understated.

You sound a lot like me.

I think macOS has the worst window management of any major OS especially for power users. It's so bad that buying a half dozen third party apps to "fix" the UX disaster that is macOS has basically been normalized.

I don't like any touchpad so even if a MacBook touchpad is better it's still just the best worst method for mouse input.

I think Apple makes nice hardware though. But I also work docked basically 99% of the time and use it as a desktop replacement so many of the Apple hardware advantages are moot for me. I'm kind of shocked when I see people voluntarily working on a laptop undocked. Working with a crappy keyboard, a crappy touchpad, and a small screen is torture to me even if it's the best crappy keyboard, the best crappy touchpad, and the best small screen.

Precisely.

I use it undocked very rarely, to the point that those hardware advantages are irrelevant.

The downsides are still there when docked however (the horrible glossy screen and the awful OS I have to handle).

> I think macOS has the worst window management of any major OS especially for power users.

Do you use full screen windows ?

Ok so you couldn’t list a better laptop. Any laptop is good docked and ignoring the noise with headphones. The only thing valuable of your response is the matte screen. Which can be fixed with a cheap Amazon film if wanted. Still with the glossy screen I can see my MacBook much better in direct sun than I can any matte HP elitebook I’ve used in the last 5 years. The sure view screens are actually almost unusable indoors.

Speakers bad in a MacBook? Come on man at least try to be objective.

> Ok so you couldn’t list a better laptop

I did. You just didn't want to listen.

> Speakers bad in a MacBook? Come on man at least try to be objective.

Mac users that list the laptop speakers as good are really digging in. It is marginally better than regular shitty laptop speakers, but it is still very shitty. Any cheap proper speakers are much better, to the point that listing it as a positive is misleading.

And I can use my boring Dell with my windows open on a sunny day without issues. MacBook requires me to close the blinds.

> I did. You just didn’t want to listen.

Hate to be that guy, but you literally didn’t. Your “I honestly prefer using my 5 year old Dell G5” does not answer that question.

I presume reading skills are hard to acquire these days. I can tell you in more simple terms. Unfortunately HN does not allow me to draw with crayons:

"Any manufacturer that provides hardware that has screen with a matte finish and whose hardware is not tied to a shitty OS".