Summary for those who don’t like Twitter or videos: it’s a screen recording of someone signing up for Twitch with a date of birth in 2010, searching for “Art”, and seeing boobs
The only difference today after the reversal of the reversal Art section is filled with channels showing 24/7 'twerk off' streams glued from tiktok clips.
Yesterday (or maybe 2 days ago?) top stream was a big titted Vietnamese girl in g-string with dual camera setup twerking her heinie off for tips.
I really hate gotcha videos like that, but I'm sure it was effective. So will they now move into the skimpy, ill-proportioned bathing suit era? Sexuality will always express itself somehow.
The intent was clear. The only reason someone makes a video like that is to push puritanical filtering. I expect searching for beach might include shirtless men, and that's okay. Whether you see them as sexual or not depends more on you than the artist.
We are talking about the regular of regular "Art" category. Maybe, just maybe it shouldn't have NSFW stuff immediatly visible to anyone signing up (especially when they entered they are 13).
I really don't care either way, it's not exactly my problem and I don't really mind it, but there are parents that don't want their kids exposed to that (ignoring if parents need to be helicopter parents when the kids are on the internet) as well as other people that aren't comfortable with nudity in any way.
I would rather 13-year-olds see naked people than chainsaw mass murder, yet what is socially acceptable in North America is the reverse; the normal thing is unacceptable and the horrendous thing is just fine.
Between all the ai generated nudity, furry stuff, a general onslaught of erect penises, educational twerking, cartoons with subjects of questionable age (tagged with 18+ of course), there was some tasteful nude art to be found.
Impossible for twitch to moderate this though. Guess we're back to regularly scheduled bikini pool, stretching and ASMR streams with onlyfans and pornhub links.
Either they honestly didn't foresee this obvious outcome and are completely out of touch, or they did foresee it and were somehow hoping for a different outcome anyway.
When I was at amazon I interacted with twitch teams several times for projects and they legitimately didn't seem to understand that twitch and adult streaming sites are pretty much the exact same setup with different branding so being completely out of touch isn't out of the question, some of it willfully so.
In case anyone misses the reference, there was a deleted scene from an episode that revealed Stanley looked at hentai pictures behind his crossword puzzles.
Do you think it's holding us back? What social benefit is there behind allowing 13-year-olds to easily view this content?
But to your point, when I was 13, I was able to find much worse (or better depending on how you look at it) pornography on the internet. And that was in the late 90s. So I'm not convinced this is the worst thing in the world. However, I get why Twitch feels like they can't allow it. And I'd still rather have this sort of censorship occur at the corporate level than at the government level, as we're seeing some states attempt.
Absolutely, the idea that a naked human body is inherently obscene, and that we need to protect people from viewing it, is ridiculous. It's the sign of an immature society whose practices are still based upon ancient superstitions.
Probably not, but that shouldn't be conflated with nudity.
Fucking (typically) happens in the context of nudity, but there are many other reasons for nudity, and its association with and only with fucking in American society has led to some...unfortunate side effects.
Alright but you’re just drawing a slightly different line then. And both of the lines in question are running straight through the thick wad of content that gets pushed on kids if nothing is set up. So sure, Americans are prudes. But neither you, nor the Americans, want furry rape porn pushed on kids. Maybe you do want nudes pushed on kids. Is your opinion on the general setup of the system really that different? I think not.
First off, I'm American. I'm complaining about my own culture.
It's interesting that you're using active language ("pushed on") for kids browsing and seeing something. It's possible (likely, even) that "Artistic nudes" should have an 18+ tag on them that
1. Prevents an under 18 user from seeing them and
2. Is easily filtered out.
I'm kind of astonished that isn't already the case.
But I also think one thing that's happening is a bunch of people are taking the opportunity of Twitch expanding what's allowed to flagrantly break the expanded rules. And it's always a little funny to me when people say "People are flagrantly breaking the rules! We need tighter rules!"
That really is the key here, no child looking for damaging material is looking for it on twitch. "The think of the children" angle is just a convenient stand-in for the real issue, which is the puritanical cultural threads that still influence many Americans and how they respond to nudity and sex.
Sure, I don't think kids (or anyone) should have "damaging material" pushed in their faces. But the issue with the twitch community's reaction to their moderation changes isn't about content being pushed onto kids, its about the community's moral views regarding anything loosely associated with "camming". It's been a common thread since the beginning of twitch to talk down to non-gamers on twitch, usually women, and call them various derogatory terms implying that they're just glorified camgirls. The backlash against any and all non-gaming categories over the years is this dynamic playing out. This is just the most recent iteration. Over-dramatizing one's concern for kids is just a convenient surrogate that lands better.
Eh. The sexist thing is a lame defense. Yes there are sexist folks making aggressive claims. That does not define the system.
At the end of the day, if porn is allowed, then porn is everywhere. In a system like twitch, it is pushed on you without asking for it as a user. It could be quarantined and made opt in, but honestly they just failed to implement that effectively.
It's not a defense, we just seem to be having different conversations. But I agree with your point, the content should be opt in. Twitch bumbled their rollout of this change about as bad as they could have.
While I don’t think lack of nudity can “hold a society back”, somewhere around 99% of the male population in the United States is addicted to porn (which is a type of nudity). Clearly there is no lack of nudity.
I think you should take a second look at how quickly this statement moved from "these people are doing something nonviolent I don't understand or approve of" to "these people are a scourge on society and responsible for some of our most horrible crimes."
I would bet that there's someone in the world you love and admire who watches this kind of media, though for obvious reasons they haven't told you about it.
You probably admire other qualities and are oblivious to that one in particular. They might be a coworker who's saved your bacon, they might be a friend who's given you valuable counsel, etc.
I think you're thinking circularly, that being into weird hentai implies they aren't a valued part of your life and that being a valued part of your life means they're not into weird hentai. I can understand how that might be comforting to you in this moment, but it's not so. One doesn't imply the other, they're largely unrelated.
ETA: The real point of contention here is that you believe the only people who would enjoy this material are people who are traumatized and on the brink of mass murder. I've been avoiding addressing this head on because I struggle to critique this delicately, but I'll be frank with you.
This appears to be to be a failure of imagination combined with some catastrophism. I don't think there's a way to put this delicately, but people are into kinky stuff, and they almost never talk about with people other than their partners. A lot of people have trouble talking to their partners about it.
I know nothing about the proclivities of the vast majority of people in my life - but I don't take that as evidence of the absence of such proclivities.
I’ve never watched tentacle porn (I don’t watch much of any porn for that matter) but I’m sure like anything else I could acquire an affection for it! I suspect it’s probably not so healthy to recoil in horror at anything outside your comfort zone, or the flimsy canopy of social norms. It might prevent you from experiencing lots of great new things, including — potentially - tentacle porn!
Here’s my attitude: wow lots of people love this stuff, apparently, since it’s everywhere. It can’t possibly be that everyone who enjoys tentacle porn is a criminal monster. I wonder what it’s doing for them? It’s driven by curiosity and empathy. You’re not free if you can’t at least explore in your mind without going 100% hardcore psycho aversion what it might be like or for or whatever.
"Kids these days, the things they're into; have you seen it!? It's weird and scary. Back when I was a kid, I never did anything weird and different; everything in my childhood was normal! Why can't all these kids today just be normal! Playing their occult Dungeons and Dragons, that Harry Potter witchcraft. They're probably sexual abusers! Why else would they sit around pretending to cast spells at each other!? It's a demonic sex cult is what it is!! That violent DOOM game is probably why we've got all the drugs! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!"
Is this the person you imagined yourself becoming?
By the way, many of the women you were looking at in those Playboy magazines were actually sexually abused; it was a time when women in that industry had basically no protection from that and no recourse when it happened. Nobody listened to them or cared about them. Meanwhile, literally nobody is getting hurt from someone drawing a picture, except your delicate sensibilities.
It’s not hypocrisy to say that the porn industry was abusive but that there may also be negative side effects to pushing extreme illustrated pornography on children.
But it is hypocrisy to claim that <activity that you find distasteful but isn't hurting anyone> is 1000% messed up compared to <activity that you enjoyed that was largely the product of an abusive industry>.
And GP didn't say "there may be negative side effects", he said it was producing mass shooters at scale (he "suspects" it, anyway).
"Actively pushing" the material on kids would indeed be a messed up thing to do, and it makes total sense to make it more difficult for kids to "stumble upon", as the 13-year-old stumbled upon pictures of breasts when searching for "art" on Twitch. I simultaneously think that basically nobody is "actively pushing" this stuff on kids. It reminds me of 90s PSAs where drug dealers are handing out heroin on schoolyards, or the idea of a "homosexual agenda" where gay people are "actively pushing" their lifestyle onto kids. It's 99.9% just a thing people do privately; (basically) nobody is forcing it on your kids.
Some of it depicts absolutely 100% fucked-up, horrific things. So do plenty of action flicks and horror movies. So does lots of rap music and plenty of games, if you play them that way. I don't believe people who love action movies and shoot-em-up games are destined to be mass shooters; I don't believe people who listen to rap music about abusing drugs are destined to become drug addicts; I don't believe people who love horror movies are destined to capture and torture humans in their basements; I don't believe people who enjoy depictions of horrific sexual acts are destined to become sexual abusers. It's certainly an interesting psychology topic about how humans can seem to enjoy depictions of acts they'd never want to perform, experience, or even see in real life.
For instance, I have heard that some people who have been victims of sexual assault may enjoy depictions of sexual assault in porn, possibly to help them imagine having more control over a situation that made them feel helpless, or to revisit, in a safe way, an extremely unsafe-feeling part of their psyche. Humans are just too complicated to make blanket assertions like "horror movies produce torturers".
Mass shooters tend to be right-wing incels who take the Judeo-Christian ideals of sexual purity and denial to the point of violent frustrated extremism. The people into "weird anime porn stuff," meanwhile, aren't hurting anyone.
