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I partake in this trade. There are other DeFi markets than Aave with better rates (6% to 9% range) for borrowing Tether. I also don't only use one market or one chain to hedge a bit smart contract risk. I also didn't sell Tether and just hold cash. Maxing out my I Bonds allocation and then buying treasuries has offset the interest on Tether such that I've been slightly net positive for the last 18 months on my position. This is all gambling money, no money I actually need day to day is tied up in this and my retirement/savings are invested an a traditional portfolio of stocks/bonds/real estate.



Even Aave itself has better rates -- the figure the author is quoting is from the the platform's option to lock in a fixed rate for your loan. Currently you can lock in 12.24% [1], but you can also borrow at the variable rate, starting at 3.15%.

Now, that does subject you to uncontrollable variation, but if you look at the chart, it's historically stayed at a very low level. Even the occasional spike you see is only for a day or two and has little impact on the annual average. [2]

Furthermore, the whole time, you're getting credited for interest accrued on your collateral. (1.18% on the USDC here -- so, all in all about a 2% annual carrying cost, not a bit issue if you think the crypto market are on borrowed time!)

"But what about the case where USDT borrowing surges and you have a persistent high rate?"

If that happens at all, it's probably because everyone else is dumping Tether, meaning its price is probably falling, and it's a great time to close the short anyway!

[1] https://app.aave.com/reserve-overview/?underlyingAsset=0xdac...

[2] People often miss that "omg high interest rate" for a few days translates into a very little expense in absolute terms. It was especially bad when banks were complaining about having to do one-off overnight loans on a very temporary basis for 4% rather than 2%, supposedly meriting Fed intervention!


> People often miss that "omg high interest rate" for a few days translates into a very little expense in absolute terms

That is assuming crypto rates are like USD bank rates.

Do you know any structural reason the rates can’t spike to a Megapercent (annualised) rate or higher? If you are being charged interest, and the rate spikes, you could lose your collateral quite quickly (and it seems likely trading would be stopped so you might not even be able to close out).


Yes, I do -- you can look at how the borrow rate varies with the fraction of available tokens borrowed, e.g.:

https://compound.finance/markets/USDT

It saturates at a pretty low level.

I have no idea what you mean by the expression "like USD bank rates" though. Fixed? (bank rates aren't that, necessarily)


Why do you believe that Tether is investing in riskier assets than treasuries and equivalents? With so much capital, and all the scrutiny they've had for many years and throughout many cycles it seems incredibly foolish to do anything else.

Tether effectively has a risk-free golden goose, it seems quite foolish to slaughter it in an attempt to gain slightly more alpha.


> Why do you believe that Tether is investing in riskier assets than treasuries and equivalents?

That's easy. I can assume US treasuries will be here in 3 month, or a year or 10 years, and almost everyone will agree with me.

Almost no one would agree with close to 100% certainty that Tether will be here in 10 years or a year or even 3 months.


1. doesn't this describe FTX just as well?

2. if they're not doing anything shady, how come they can't be more transparent than they are?




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