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This is why I don't get the opposition to Elon buying Twitter, when this kind of thing is exactly what he wants to end.



Because the things he says are contradictory, often very vague, and often extremely naive, either intentionally or unintentionally, regarding how hard it is to moderate content. As numerous industry leaders have pointed out, people on the Left think the Left is getting overly censored, people on the Right think the right is getting overly censored, in actuality it's an extremely complex system and the site admins just want people to stop threatening each other. Musk, however, has made it very clear that he feels the Right is being censored, and he will fix that, which doesn't bode well for people on the Left.

I'm hoping that if Musk actually does end up buying twitter, it leads to larger uptick for Mastodon.


> Because the things he says are contradictory, often very vague, and often extremely naive, either intentionally or unintentionally, regarding how hard it is to moderate content. As numerous industry leaders have pointed out, people on the Left think the Left is getting overly censored, people on the Right think the right is getting overly censored, in actuality it's an extremely complex system and the site admins just want people to stop threatening each other.

This is a claim that stinks of hypocrisy. If Twitter as it is removes Tweets under the vague and arbitrary notion of pursuing peace (i.e. heckler's veto), how is that any better than what people are accusing Musk of, even when he is not yet at the helm? Keep in mind that people like Yishan admitted to wanting to piss off Moral Majority conservatives during the Bush era. Twitter was ,according to Dorsey, the free speech wing of the free speech party. Why these people seek to compel a false peace now by appeasing today's equivalent is beyond me.

>Musk, however, has made it very clear that he feels the Right is being censored, and he will fix that, which doesn't bode well for people on the Left. I'm hoping that if Musk actually does end up buying twitter, it leads to larger uptick for Mastodon.

He's made it clear that people shouldn't be removed from Twitter or have their Tweets deleted for statements that would be protected by the First Amendment. This is the opposite of censorship. The main argument I've seen from figures associated with the left is that they don't want another 4chan, as though somehow 4chan is an aberration of the Web, and not the closest representation to its natural state.

While I'm glad that Mastodon allows people to build their personal Twitters, I wouldn't depend on Mastodon to be censor-free either.

https://blog.alexgleason.me/gab-block/

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/11129


What Mr. Musk says has a robust history of being total fiction.


> this kind of thing is exactly what he wants to end

Serious question: Is Musk going to allow threats of violence on Twitter?

The joking tweet in question wasn't a real threat of violence, but it's likely that Twitter's flawed algorithm flagged it as a threat of violence. So what about real threats of violence? Will those not be moderated at all under Musk?

Musk also said he wants to crack down on spam. Which requires automated detection, due to the extremely high volume of spam on Twitter. Everything on Twitter has extremely high volume, making it impossible to moderate manually. But algorithms are very imperfect, so you get a bunch of false positives, or a bunch of false negatives, or both. I wonder how this problem will get solved?


I'd literally trust the current pope to be a better guardian of free speech than Elon Musk.

If you want to judge how much someone values free speech, look at how they treet the speech of people they dislike or whose speech might be to their detriment. Feel free to check how Elon Musk treats free speech within his companies, especially of employees trying to unionize.

Free speech for me but not for thee.


The short answer is because his proposed "solution" isn't solving the fundamental issue of fairness in public communication, nor does it guarantee any meaningful improvement thereof. Case in point: Elon is perfect, makes Twitter the best, then dies the next day and we're back to square one because the will of one man is not an institution (explicitly defined in this context as "surviving those who man it").

The long, IMHO, is that eventually the only solution is a truly decentralized system, much like DNS, that no actor alone can enable nor stop as long as other actors refuse to "fork" the namespace for a more restricted one.

That's what "freeing the code" ultimately means, and that comes down to a protocol at a basic level. Anyone (company, individual…) being free to implement whatever interface they want to it.

Then we'd likely move to observing and participating in this unimpeded common "mother / raw / source" stream of messages, through what I imagine would look like more-or-less-biased portals of sorts, culturally flavored aggregators, but ultimately unable to lie about true raw numbers.

Until we all agree about reality, there's no discussing it. That's why we need dumb pipes, neutral transport, much like the air is dumb in transmitting sight and sound. That's why we make protocols (as in RFC's), and every single internet-facing machine holds its little piece of HTTP land, of IRC land, tomorrow of <some Twitter-like land> (I know, it's Mastodon, but it's also not in reality as we speak. Ask your sales people about adoption rates and network effects).

Thus follows, IMHO, the answer to your question: Elon claims a lot of things but none guarantee such a free and fair space for communication that de facto puts him out of the loop as a necessary gatekeeper (notice how Mr. Musk's moral fairness or even good intents, as a "benevolent dictator" is Montesquieu's words IIRC, is actually irrelevant to the core question). Elon does not suggest that he would "protocolize" Twitter's operations such that the company would act as a central but ultimately _optional_ hub for the sake of a mission —and literally operation— bigger than itself: free and fair human communication (by which point who cares about their code since everyone else can check the raw data stream in countless replicas and redundant streams over the web). Twitter (Inc.) as the steward and creator of this protocol would actually become valuable over the very long term (think: E/P ratio, employer prestige, etc) because hosting a fair and free human communication is one hell of an important job that few institutions —ever in history, private or public— would ethically be able to manage. But it's now become military-grade or hospital-grade important to a free society. As I was saying in another thread, it's about time we manage some deontological framework for the field of information technology and its practice at large.

[PS: Not that I hold my breath for one second that Twitter as we know it is in any way willing let alone able to undertake such an ethical mission, nor do I dream for one minute that Elon would buy Twitter instead of going from scratch, were the above goals his. The true disruption will likely be menial at first and come from left of field.]




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