I remember sitting in my dorm room in FT (at UCSB) and watching the Tea Fire flames jump closer and closer. Fire is a huge threat in the area, even that close to the coast. This seems like insanity.
Which history shows us tend to be locked or barricaded when they're not supposed to be, or obstructed in some other way, or otherwise unavailable.
Sure, there are other egresses available in principle. Hell, you can sledge-hammer your way through a wall in a pinch. But in any practical sense? Having two primary ingress/egress points is a horrible idea.
My office building is inspected a couple times a year. They flip out if you get anywhere near blocking the operation of an interior fire door (like auto closing metal doors), much less egress doors. Hell, until recently they wouldn't even let us have fans because of the possibility it could impact the design of the air handling for the building effectively removing smoke.
So I think maybe we've progressed beyond the bad old days of the early 20th century.
So I think maybe we've progressed beyond the bad old days of the early 20th century
Yes, we have to some degree. That doesn't mean we should be complacent now.
And major fires that kill lots of people because bad decisions were made are not a phenomenon that stopped happening after Triangle Shirtwaist. Things got better, but we still have room to continue to improve.
You know that the world has progressed since the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, right?
I know that its hard to to believe that there has been progress in the last 100 years, as we sit here communicating effortlessly across the globe, protected from huge numbers of diseases that ravaged humankind, enjoying workplace fatality rates decreased by multiple orders of magnitude, enjoying universal suffrage, etc etc.
You know that the world has progressed since the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, right?
Of course I do, duh. The question is "how much has it progressed?" Note that the Hamlet fire I mention was in 1991, and the Station Nightclub fire was in 2003, so it's not like Triangle Shirtwaist is the most recent example of a mass fire tragedy. And there are other examples, those three just happened to be "top of mind" for me.
as we sit here communicating effortlessly across the globe, protected from huge numbers of diseases that ravaged humankind, enjoying workplace fatality rates decreased by multiple orders of magnitude, enjoying universal suffrage, etc etc
Sure, but most of those things are orthogonal to fire safety.
I can't recall the last time I saw a fire exit blocked... Feels like one of those things people keep repeating because of a handful of newsworthy events a year...
Go to your nearest grocery, hardware, or department store, head to the back on the day that a truck comes, and look around.
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it exists. You fell into the argument from ignorance fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Feels like one of those things people keep repeating because of a handful of newsworthy events a year...
People keep talking about that handful of newsworthy events because we don't want there to be more of them. Or at least we want them to become less frequent, and less deadly when they do occur.
A lot of deadly fires happen at night when people are in bed sleeping. And most of the "bedrooms" in this building would not have windows, per the article.
an 11-story, 1.68-million-square-foot structure that would house up to 4,500 students, 94 percent of whom would not have windows in their small, single-occupancy bedrooms.
"Ah", but you might say, "just use someone else's window!"
To which I say "bullshit." If it's 3:00 in the morning, and you have a bunch of sleepy, probably hung-over (or still buzzing) college kids, and a building full of smoke and superheated toxic gases, the odds that these kids will successfully locate and utilize another window strike me as so low as to not even be worth considering. Drunk college kids don't do well with dormitory fires, or at least that's what a lot of historical evidence suggests.
Is it even possible to make it fire code compliant?