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Context: The day this happened was the inauguration of new Parliament building of India.


The inauguration of the new Parliament building where:

- None of the major opposition parties attended

- The President and other constitutional heads were not invited

- The protesting athletes were arrested

- One religion was in the spotlight, as opposed to the Indian brand of secularism where ceremonies of all religions should have been conducted

- On the day of Savarkar's (Hindu nationalist) birth anniversary

- The PM treating it as a vanity project/personal PR photoshoot


- Using a symbol of Monarchy as the center piece of this inauguration.


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1) First of all, state shouldn't involve in any type of religious activities let alone giving priority to one particular religion. It's written in the Constitution and it's the base for any modern society(Especially US's First Amendment). You should foresee the consequences of this. What if a muslim PM get elected in the long future and he invites all Islamic priests?

2) Yes, you have mentioned some of the things that India did on secular grounds. But that doesn't refute the present context. Still wrong doings are happening. Instead of focusing on those, should we remember all the past events and be silent?

3) Islam invades Hindus, then let's Hindus mob-lynch Muslims. Always stuck in who slaughters who. No progress towards right secular habits.

John Lock: https://www.amazon.com/Locke-Treatises-Government-Cambridge-...


> It is only in "secular" India that organized religious conversions were allowed that led to Christians going from less that 1% of the population 100 years ago to 90% today in some states

But all that happened before India was even fully independent so how is it relevant? Are you saying Christian should be forcibly converted back to Hinduism?


I'd partly disagree, there are reports of forced conversions to Islam in Kashmir, and women being raped and murdered on refusing to do so long after independence, as recent as 2021.


> Secularism in modern India is a synonym for Hinduphobia ...

  1. Secularism is a constitutional principle enshrined in fundamental rights in the Indian constitution. The fundamental *Right to Equality* in the Indian constitution already implies this. Although, the word *secular* was added explicitly to the constitution through the 42nd Amendment (in 1976), it has been implictly read in through various Supreme Court rulings. The dishonest equivalence of secularism with Hinduphobia is by those who want to attack the Right to Equality.

  2. The comment mentions polygamy permitted under Muslim personal law. Marriages in India are governed by personal laws. There was a time when inter-religion/inter-caste marriages were illegal. Polygamy among Hindus was legal until 1956 when the Hindu Marriage Act (a personal law) was amended to outlaw polygamy. There is a landmark case currently underway on the equality of marriage sought by LGBTQ+ individuals to bring same-sex marriage the same legal protections as marriage between a man and a woman. This is an evolving legal area. The courts are quite conscious of the fact that not everyone, including Hindus want personal laws to be overturned (as it also impacts succession, property rights etc.,). There will be broad based support for overturning some anachronistic personal laws due to intersectionality (eg: Hindu gay men wanting to marry or Muslim women wanting triple-Talaq (divorce) law overtuned). 
> It is only in "secular" India that organized religious conversions were allowed (emphasis added) ...

  3. It is right there in the constitution. Article 25 (1) states that: *Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practise and propagate religion*

  4. The word *propagate religion* includes religious conversions. So, proselytizing is covered by the constituion. The law also says *forcible conversions* are illegal since it infringes on right to freely practice one's religion. Of course, the fascists will equate all proselytizing with forcible conversions.


> Secularism is a constitutional principle

The constitution can say whatever it wants. The only thing that matters is what actually happens on the ground. Successive governments have adopted Hinduphobic positions and laws while claiming to be secular. Why are only Hindu temples under the control of various state governments? Why don't governments take similar control of cathedrals, churches and mosques?

There is example after example proving my position. All you have is some words in a document that are belied by the actions of those meant to observe it.

> Right to Equality

Religious minorities can run their own schools where they can teach their children their way of life? Can Hindus do this qua Hindus? Again, words in a document that contradict other words in the same document.

> Hindu Marriage Act (a personal law) was amended to outlaw polygamy

Why were Muslims not given the same benefits or punished in the same manner (whichever way you want to look at it)? How can you be secular and equal if two men or two women are treated differently before the law for the exact same action? This is a joke masquerading as justice.

> Of course, the fascists will equate all proselytizing with forcible conversions.

You can believe that Christianity is so superior to local religious practices that an entire state almost completely adopted the religion voluntarily in 3-4 generations. Given the history of Christian missionaries in India, South America and other parts of the world and the tactics they adopted, this is a simplistic argument/position.

There is literature available from Missionaries, in their own words, as to their opinions about Indian religious traditions and the people practicing them. Arun Shourie has written a couple of books on the subject.[1][2]

An individual here or there converting to a different faith is one thing. When religions conversions are used to shift demography, this has national security implications. Separatist movements grew in Kashmir and Nagaland. The partition of India was done on Muslim vs. non-Muslim lines where Muslim-majority provinces became Pakistan. Onlygodists will always be in conflict with Manygodists because their worldviews are fundamentally different.

Organized conversions must be banned. If the constitution has to be amended to do it, so be it.

[1] Missionaries in India: Continuities, Changes, Dilemmas

[2] Harvesting Our Souls: Missionaries, Their Design, Their Claims


> Why are only Hindu temples under the control of various state governments?

That is because historically, a lot of the land (farm and non-farm) came under the Hindu temples when the temples were under the administration of kings. The British East India Company took over the administration which then transferred to the provinces (prior to independence) and then the states post-independence. Different states then passed laws. For eg: See https://hrce.tn.gov.in/hrcehome/hrce_about.php for Tamilnadu state's Hindu religious and charitable endowments department.

> Religious minorities can run their own schools where they can teach their children their way of life? Can Hindus do this qua Hindus?

Ofcourse they do. I studied in a school ran by a Hindu trust and we had students from all religions. There was morning devotional prayers (Hindu hymns), friday bhajans (singing religious hymns) etc., and everyone attended. Stop spreading this hate about us vs them.

> When religions conversions are used to shift demography, this has national security implications

Ah, the national security bogeyman! Why don't you try shifting the demography of the armed forces to address that? I think men and women in defence forces from all religious backgrounds would have something to say about that.


> Different states then passed laws.

A "secular" state will treat all places of prayer and worship the same. If it controls only Hindu temples but not churches and mosques, it is not "secular."

> Ofcourse they do.

The constitution and the RTE act treat minority and non-minority institutions differently. Everything from the funding structure, to what can be taught, to how the teachers are appointed, to whether religious education can be imparted differs. Hindu institutions can do certain things but under restrictions that are not applicable to minorities. Again, this second-class treatment is considered to be "secular."

> Stop spreading this hate about us vs them.

I am not the Onlygodist here. It is Onlygodism that creates us vs them.

> national security bogeyman

So the insurgency in Kashmir and Nagaland does not have religious characteristics and is purely secular in nature? The partition of India was done on a purely secular basis?


> Hindu institutions can do certain things but under restrictions that are not applicable to minorities. Again, this second-class treatment is considered to be "secular.

An argument can be made than Hindu institutions are already dominant and without certain laws curtailing what they can do/giving special privileges to minorities balances this out to some degree.

And analogy with company law/regulation could be made. Different rules generally apply to monopolies and corporations controlling majority of their respective markets than to smaller companies to prevent them from abusing their position.


> special privileges to minorities

Is not secularism.

I would be happy if the constitution openly stated that Hindus must remain second-class citizens in the eyes of the law and that minorities will be first-class citizens. This is hardly any different from zimmi/dhimmi status accorded to non-Muslims under Islamic rule.

> Hindu institutions are already dominant

If you apply this logic at state or district levels, the so-called minorities are in a majority in many districts and states. It then follows that churches in Nagaland and mosques in Kashmir should be under state control and Hindus should be accorded minority status in those states.

> analogy with company law/regulation

Companies do not exist freely in nature. They are a creation of the State and exist at the pleasure of the State. One cannot treat individuals like that and then talk about equality and secularism.


What kind of nonsense is that? Just because Christians are dominant in the West, does it mean that their secular govts should control Christian institutions in their countries?


I assumed state control of Hindu institutions actually gives them advantages over other sects? (like state funding etc.)

> does it mean that their secular govts should control Christian institutions in their countries?

Well… that was the main reason why the reformation happened and that was the case in many countries for a long time. Clearly it gave these state run churches a massive advantage over other denominations (of course European countries have moved away from this in last 100-200 years).

I thought it worked similarly in India as well (i.e. your argument is that India is not truly secular because the state is still supporting Hindu institutions more than Christian/Muslim ones?) Of course I don’t really know anything about organizational structure of Hinduism? I assume it’s extremely decentralized compared to most Christian churches, which would mean ensuring funding without government support would be more complicated?


Thank you for raising this! it definitely isn't talked about as much as it should, especially in western spheres of dicussion like here on hn


Ever wondered why these "laws" were not repealed or even questioned by the ruling party in the last 9 years, even with an overwhelming majority in parliament?


For the same reason that the Republicans continue believing, in the face of overwhelming evidence, that they have a chance with black voters.

No matter what the BJP tries, they will never get more than 10-15% of the Muslim vote. Hindus accept laws contrary to their interests. Muslims come out on the streets and arm twist their political beneficiaries into reversing judgements and acts that they perceive to be against their interests.[1]

[1] Shah Bano case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohd._Ahmed_Khan_v._Shah_Bano_...)


There are ways of engaging with communities in democracy, rather than creating laws which one group ( majority ) think is right. which is not a great suite of the current ruling party, to be honest. Farmer laws, demonetization etc are some of examples.

BTW, If a party cannot do what is required for the country, they probably are not right for ruling the country.


Why is that relevant? People should not get arrested for protesting sexual harassment, even if others are inaugurating a new Taj Mahal.


It is relevant because the PM is touting the new parliament building as ushering Indian into a new age of democracy, calling the building a temple of democracy; while dissenting voices outside are being stifled as the wrestlers are being arrested.


PM Modi was literally giving a speech on "how we are the coolest democracy in the world" few kilo-meters away from where the protesters were arrested.


>Use HSTS And break the site for invalid certificate authority


Title is misleading


In what way? https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/tile/use-re...

  Photorealistic 3D Tiles are in the OGC standard glTF format, meaning you can use any renderer that supports the OGC 3D Tiles spec to build your 3D visualizations.


Not the OP, but the editorialized title (please don't do that) seems to suggest that it's freely available, which it is not.


Sorry but how exactly? There is another comment too that hints towards this sentiment but I really don't know how you can mistake "open standard".


I understand many people are familiar with what "open standard" means. There are lots of other people that are somewhat new to the phrase.

Consider these related terms:

- Open Source

- Open Data

- Open Standard

For people who encounter these terms in the listed order, "Open Standard" may or may not be understood by analogy. Some people will assume that it also includes the concepts of Open Source and Open Data. It does not.


can you explain more about manually setting a breakpoint. I am little noob


Chrome DevTools -> Sources -> trygalaxy.com -> _next/static -> pages -> index_... -> CTRL + F and search window.navigator.standalone -> click on the dash to the right (a blue arrow will appear) and refresh the page

The page will freeze, go to the Console, type window.navigator.standalone = true; and unfreeze the page clicking on the blue arrow.


Thanks


Can someone explain more?


Basically, for hardware backed devices like phones and physical security keys, there's an attestation certificate that is shared by all devices of that model. This can allow a site that wants higher security for some reason to require this kind of proof that the key is protected from copying in hardware (eg bound to a specific device and can't be stolen via malware, theoretically) due to it being a model known to be secure. I'm not aware of specific sites requiring this though.

It is recommended that sites don't require it: "It is important to be aware that requiring attestation is an invasive policy, especially when used to restrict users' choice of authenticator. For some applications this is necessary; for most it is not. [...] When in doubt, err towards being more permissive, because using a passkey is more secure than not using a passkey. [...] we recommend that you do not require a trusted attestation unless you have specific reason to do so." https://developers.yubico.com/Passkeys/Passkey_relying_party...

More info: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Authent...


That seems like truly terrible advice. The only example given:

> It may still be useful to request and store attestation information for future reference - for example, to warn users if security issues are discovered in their authenticators - but we recommend that you do not require a trusted attestation unless you have specific reason to do so.

If that’s the only application, that communication should happen through alternate channels like your browser/OS vendor itself. Having random websites be responsible for communicating whether a given attestation may indicate compromise is less than helpful and the probability of that actually happening correctly is about 0. Oh and given all the breaches, if there is a compromise, the attacker now has a helpful list of customers using compromised authenticators.

One application seems to be to use this to try to replace captcha but I wonder what kind of impact that will have on 3p authenticators. Without extra details, it may be right to be concerned this is a massive landgrab as to how people access online services.


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Beautiful example of the limits of AI - it simply reiterates the comment in a seemingly informative way, but it doesn't actually understand it, so it really just states the same thing but more verbosely. Knowing nothing about Passkeys, it's also subtly wrong.

What exactly is your point?


It's a bit anticlimactic how the hype is just dying down and everyone involved is just pretending they weren't just weeks ago crying wolf about the whole thing. Still I feel vindicated in my early assessment that it was mostly just empty hype about some chatbot.


Not just verbosely, but with the implied contempt!


What value does this comment add?


I hope they don't ban tor now


This is definitely useful


Why is it useful?


I personally find it useful because a lot of times I scroll through twitter and am passively consuming content without filtering what might be flawed statements arguments that need more thought. And I wouldn't want to believe something that was flawed.


How can you passively consume something you read? Reading is an act of internalisation


Why is this submission flagged?


What a scam by the ruling political party


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