Mass immigration in EU is a result of US wars in middle east. It was not some kind of a plan by EU. It was just a reaction to shit that is happening. They were put in this position because they had too much faith in US.
I can see that you are just focused on racist talking points about immigration and any discussion here will be very unproductive and just a wast of our bandwidth.
Every racist that has ever existed also drank water. So what?
To me it sounds like you are insinuating that wanting to preseve your culture is racist - I don't see any other point to your comment. Correct me if I'm wrong.
No, however WHY you want to preserve your culture and HOW you intend to do it is what determines if it's racist.
A lot of people want to preserve their culture because they view it as superior. Historically, they view other cultures as lower-level, that of savages. They think themselves civilized. This is, obviously, racism.
And in regards to the how, what is the methodology? Do we perhaps build camps to put people of a certain brown complexion in? Do we round them up in the streets? How do you even tell who is who - by their skin tone? As you can see, there's a lot of potential for racism there.
People want to preserve their culture for the same reasons, because it is their culture, it is their identity. How? Simple. Stop bringing in people that do not share your culture inside your country in large numbers.
Historically, they thought other cultures to be not as civilized/savages because often those cultures were not as developed, or as civilized, and often contained human sacrifice rituals. Regardless, forcing their culture on them was wrong just like it is now.
The first step is stop mass immigration. Then revoke all non-highly-skilled labour visas etc. Then add a $50k/yr additional tax to all work related visas, paid by the employee.
Also, not talking about US since they made their bed by bringing in through slavery, but talking about majority of Europe.
It feels like you are so scared of being seen as racist that you will sacrifice your culture just so you don't get called a racist.
> Also, not talking about US since they made their bed by bringing in through slavery, but talking about majority of Europe.
The majority of Europe is composed of formally colonialist nations. I am sorry, but to quote you, "they have made their bed".
> It feels like you are so scared of being seen as racist that you will sacrifice your culture just so you don't get called a racist.
I don't have a strong tie to my culture because I don't care much. My culture is lame, mostly. I already left my culture behind when I entered the melting pot. And, there is no American culture. We are a mixed and varied people.
You're proposed a lot of ideas here and, well, they're kind of shit. You're forgetting one teensy little detail - why are they good? Who does this help, and how? Okay, we revoke a bunch of work visas and make a bunch of people's lives worse... and then what? How does that bring economic and social prosperity to your nation?
See, you can't speak about mass immigration being a problem like that's a foregone conclusion. The US has had immigration on a level most European nations couldn't even fathom, and yet, economically we run laps around them.
Don't worry, we have our own anti-immigration people here. And yes, they're just as stupid and short-sighted. Trump is so anti-immigration he's willing to destroy our economy for a goal he cannot even articulate.
> The majority of Europe is composed of formally colonialist nations. I am sorry, but to quote you, "they have made their bed".
Colonized, but majority did not bring people over like US did with slavery. Colonizing a country in the past does not mean that country can now invade you. Anyone that was brought over during colonization time can stay, but that number is tiny.
> And, there is no American culture. We are a mixed and varied people.
Not anymore. Used to be a Christian nation with a mix of European culture - that's what it was founded on. This started to change after 1965 Immigration Act.
> why are they good? Who does this help
They are good because they preserve the nation's people. They help the nation.
> How does that bring economic and social prosperity to your nation?
Regarding social prosperity, take a look at London, Paris, NY, SF, Brussels, Berlin vs Warsaw, Prague, Helsinki. See which one is safer, see which one people are happier in, see which one is more socially prosperous.
Economic prosperity at the cost of your nation is not worth it. We don't need cheap food delivery.
> The US has had immigration on a level most European nations couldn't even fathom, and yet, economically we run laps around them.
And what has this economical prosperity brought you? Rampant crime, homelessness, zombie cities, healthcare accessible only to the wealthy, one of the biggest wealth inequality in the developed world.
Is it worth, sacrificing your country's identity so that the banker numbers go up? So that wall street makes more money?
> Not anymore. Used to be a Christian nation with a mix of European culture - that's what it was founded on. This started to change after 1965 Immigration Act.
1. America was never a Christian nation. That's a far-right populist rewriting of history.
2. 1965 was quite a while ago! But even before then, European culture is extremely varied. Not to mention Chinese and Japanese immigrants before. It was a melting pot even then.
> They are good because they preserve the nation's people. They help the nation.
This means nothing, by the way. This is the problem with populist messaging. It's populist because it sounds good, but it also has to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
There's no substance, no logic, no reasoning. Just promises, built on appealing to emotions. A sense of national pride, of sovereignty. Past that, the details are TBD.
> Economic prosperity at the cost of your nation is not worth it. We don't need cheap food delivery.
Once again, this means nothing. "At the cost of your nation" is just a populist message, something a bit Hitler-y. But it's not an actual argument. What, specifically, is being lost?
> And what has this economical prosperity brought you? Rampant crime, homelessness, zombie cities, healthcare accessible only to the wealthy, one of the biggest wealth inequality in the developed world.
On the topic of crime because far-right populists just can't help but lie - crime in the US is down and has been trending down for decades. People like Trump will claim the opposite, because they are liars and in order to form a populist message you have to appeal to emotions (see above).
It's easy to convince people something needs to be done when you cater to their sense of survival. Of course, it's just not true, blatantly. It's not misinformation or disinformation - it is dishonesty. The same is true for many European nations. You're free to look at crime statistics. But, more importantly than being dishonest, the horse begets the carriage. Why does removing brown people fix crime? What's the mechanism for that? Is it because you propose, by their blood, they are more susceptible to crime? Ah, and there comes the racism I mentioned earlier. With far-right populist ideology, it always comes, if you just give it a squeeze. I have no doubt now you will say no, that's not the reason why, but I don't really care.
And, on some other topics:
1. Healthcare is the most accessible it's ever been in the US takes to the ACA. The far-right wants to dismantle this. This isn't a matter up for debate either, so please don't bother.
2. Wealth inequality is high because of the far-right repeatedly failing to tax the rich and letting them engage in anti-competitive behavior. Under populist far-right leaders like Trump, the wealth inequality will only increase.
Or maybe investors didn't buy treasuries because they were in on the scam all along. They wanted to stay liquid because the plan was always to crash the markets and spook foreign investors while US investors are informed to wait for the tweet about the 90 day delay and buy cheap stocks.
I am always confused how someone will fall for the scammer with such poor knowledge of your native language. If you look at the reports from the scams it is always so obvious that they are scams just by looking at the way sentences are structured or the way they speak.
I would expect that easier targets for such scammers would be people who don’t use English as their primary language. Not someone living in US.
It is weird that such things are not an immediate red flags to people. Then again, I have a better grasp on English language than last 3 US presidents so I guess you have to lower your expectations.
I thinks that this is also a reason that Musk, with his ramblings, didn’t reach such cult following here.
Some portion of legit call centres for banks or telcos (as an example) have an accent, especially when support services are outsourced. Means that many are not deterred by an accent or imperfect email phrasing when approached.
In one case of a friend's mother being scammed: she'd complained to her ISP about an issue with their service. Their actual customer support told her to expect a call back later that day. Then some sort of Microsoft support scam out of India happened to call her an hour or two later...
No sane person will tell you that EU should accept all the consequences of US starting wars in our neighborhood and also pay for that privilege.
Nobody is forcing US to field the largest army in the world. It is their own choice. We all would much rather if they didn't have such an incentive to arbitrarily start wars just to justify their defense budget.
BTW, if US is such a mighty nation as they advertise themselves, they should have no problem providing safety net for their citizens. The problem is that they just don't want to do that. They don't care about their citizens. All administrations just want to avoid taxing the rich and shift the blame to made up external enemies.
I don't see the point in this bad faith stuff. Clearly the US has provided a massive defence umbrella not limited to wars the US started. EU countries are now arming up and spending increased GDP on defence to accommodate the US spending less on their defence. The US has spent a fortune that those countries didn't have to previously spend, and could instead spend on social things. I think the US was fine with this, but they're not fine with doing this for the EU while the EU is laughing at it for not spending enough on social things.
US has been destroying Middle East for decades. Where do you thing that migrants from those regions run to?
Wars in Middle East are not something that EU needs or wants. We just went with it because of all the "we are allies and we respect each other" lies that were used by US administrations to swindle EU and get what they want.
Or do you propose that US pays for the costs of immigration problems around the world?
It is obvious that only reason US doesn't have safety net for their own citizens is US.
We all know where the middle east strife comes from. America has supported it, but not America alone. Is Germany going to stop providing financial and military aid and hardware to Israel?
European NATO members were well within their rights to refuse to participate in Afghanistan when America invoked Article 5 (read it!). They should have in fact, because it was a bullshit war and they knew it at the time. They chose to participate anyway and have been whining about it ever since. Fine, mistakes were made, but now you lot should be happy to put distance between yourselves and America and take on full responsibility for your own defense.
As for America starting wars in the region, if you think America started the wars Russia has waged and is waging against Georgia and Ukraine, you've been huffing Kremlin retard gas. You lot have a problem on your border, America didn't make it and its not America's responsibility to fix it. Maybe the American people would be more eager about helping Europe if Europeans didn't take every opportunity they could to gloat about how they're better than America, how Americans are stupid to spend so much on the military. Doesn't matter now though, the damage is done. Take care of yourselves.
Region as in "relatively close to Europe". Immigrants are coming all the way from Middle East where US performs the operations, not our neighboring countries.
Russian thing is all EU fault. Glut for cheap oil made putin think he has a big bargaining chip against EU and that this will all be a simple task.
I don't know what propaganda media you get your information from, but people of Europe are not gloating or thinking you are stupid.
I work for a company that has US offices (as many Europeans do) and we work very well together. We travel a lot between countries and work face to face and there have never been any problems.
> but people of Europe are not gloating or thinking you are stupid. I work for a company that has US offices (as many Europeans do) and we work very well together. We travel a lot between countries and work face to face and there have never been any problems.
I think this is a mixed bag, but also I think the perception is there. There is a lot of "Scandinavia does this perfectly" talk that creates the perception in the US, even if perhaps no one in Scandinavia is the least bit bothered either way!
That perspective, as anything US based, is very US centric and wrong.
EU supported US war on terror, or whatever you call last 25 years of US invasions, with our own troops and what did we get out of that? Immigration crisis. We basically had to spend huge amounts of money on handling immigrants because of all the wars US (our so called ally) started.
Also, EU banks invested a lot of money in US scam financial institutions and our saving got wiped out in 2008. All of that money dissapeared in US economy.
US doesn't charge you for services by issuing an itemized bill, but instead they suck it out through different venues. Like a leach. I guess you can easily ignore things like that if it doesn't fit your narrative.
You are at the same time complaining that the EU is too dependent on US and that it doesn't pay its' share. The main problem with dependence is that you don't develop your own industry and instead you rely on imports and send money to other countries for services. So how can EU at the same time be both dependent on US and not sending money to US? That doesn't make any sense.
Citizens of EU have been complaining about reliance on US to our governments for years, but our bureaucrats ignored it and kept sending money over seas because it was the easiest thing to do.
Current US administration has finally shown that this dependence is dangerous, and now hopefully instead of sending money to US they will divert it into EU economy.
Exactly this. I don't remember European, Canadian and Australian governments trying to extort the US after 9/11 when those countries spent billions fighting alongside the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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