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(Stretching a definition of social network.)

Not strictly but Debian, where member inclusion is done through an in person chain of trust process so you have clusters of people who know each other offline as a basis.

Also, most WhatsApp contacts have been exchanged IRL, I presume.


Through regulation?


Well yes but headscale?


Nah, the AGPL is pretty clear (and way clearer than the GPL and LGPL due to combined/derived work fuzziness). The issue with it isn't anything to do with the mechanism of the license itself, because it is pretty clear what the criteria are (and offering an API over the network definitively constitutes Remote Network Interaction) and how you can fulfill the source distribution. The real issue is that the AGPLv3 doesn't preclude a third party from commercializing the software (whether modified or not).


The problem with Minio is how many layers of indirection "interacting with an API" consitutes. If I write a webapp that uses Minio in the background, Minio has stated that their belief is that your webapp is subject to the viral part of the AGPL.


That's interesting. I was reading their licensing compliance FAQ at https://min.io/compliance and it doesn't allude to that; in fact it suggests that for instance calling a REST API doesn't imply derived work (modulo the specificity piece), referencing the GPL. The omission of the over-the-network AGPL provision is notable. I wonder if it's obscure on purpose?


Perhaps even stranger, MinIO have publicly stated they have revoked an Apache 2 license grant to a third party, Weka: https://blog.min.io/weka-violates-minios-open-source-license...

Not sure what their counsel is thinking there..


MinIO has taken (and still is taking) contributions without CLA, so they likely don't even have the ability to sell license exceptions.

They seem to have at least fixed their compliance page. It used to read:

"If you are an Original Equipment Manufacturers, a Reseller, or an Independent Software Vendor that combines and distributes commercially licensed software with MinIO software and do not wish to distribute the source code for the commercially licensed software under GNU Affero General Public License, Version 3.0 (AGPLv3), you must enter into a commercial license agreement with MinIO, available at https://min.io/pricing."

And that's opposed to "FOSS".

https://web.archive.org/web/20210415185046/https://min.io/co...


> I can explicitly cancel a subscription after a certain date—what is the problem with me explicitly cancelling a subscription after a certain amount of spend?

As someone also involved in billing systems for public clouds: in theory there's no difference, but in practice there is a world of difference. This is the sort of situation where the end user is commonly surprised with the consequences of their own decisions. At MGC we have some "soft shut down" processes, and we constantly hear stuff like "I know I said shut down, but this is the one situation where that really didn't make sense"; where examples are "storage which keeps backups became unavailable", "a very simple but critical user auth system disappeared", "I had no idea this was still running on my account", or "OMG not in the middle of the weekend", etc. You can build heuristics and tracking into the system to minimize these situations, but that's a lot of work.

So yeah, it is a valid use case and something many CSPs would like to provide, but implementing something that is actually better than nothing is non-trivial.


Well, the comment from OP isn't necessarily complete. The AGPL is not about preventing someone from using source code (indeed that would be contrary to the spirit of all liberal and copyleft licenses), but rather the condition under which source code modifications need to be made available.

Specifically, if you offer the software for "Remote Network Interaction" (AGPLv3 section 13), well, "if you modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with it remotely through a computer network (if your version supports such interaction) an opportunity to receive the Corresponding Source of your version".

I think the original challenge with AGPLv3 vs (to grossly generalize) the VC-backed open source corporate ecosystem was not around source code, but around monetization as SaaS by the hyperscalers. The problem there is even if the hyperscalers publish source code modifications (which they probably have no problem with) they have such sales efficiency and gravitational pull that they will end up eating your business.


What could go wrong?


What does the risk classification applied to the dataset actually mean? The licensing page [1] AI2 provides for their datasets is really nice but it doesn't really explain [2] what risk means in the context.

Does it mean "risk that the items contained in this set are licensed in a manner incompatible with its use in a training dataset"?

[1] https://allenai.org/impact-license

[2] "the AI2 ImpACT Licenses are artifact-agnostic and are instead structured according to the risk level we’ve assigned a given artifact"


I think "[automated] disassembly" has a different implication than reverse-engineering; the latter usually involves more depth in the analysis of the binary, usually including more semantic-level considerations (i.e. this block is meant to do this, or this function is used from these different callsites). The best examples of this type of analysis seem to exist in the security community when going into the detail of zero-days, exploits, etc. I think LLMs either already can or will soon enter that space.


"danger abstraction too high, big brain type system code become astral projection of platonic generic turing model of computation into code base"


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