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> old dorm room with paint chips on the walls

> Mark Zuckerberg

This guy doesn't know much about Mark Zuckerberg


"A single line of code caused <BUG>"

Yes, a single line of code is in the stack trace every time a bug happens. Why does every headline have to push this clickbait?

All errors occur at a single line in the program - and every single line is interconnected to the rest of the program, so it's an irrelevant statement.


> Also this push to measure everything means that anything that can’t be measured isn’t valued.

Never thought I'd see an intelligent point made on hackernews, but there it is. You are absolutely correct. This really hit home for me.


You could have made your point better without insulting everyone on the forum.


can't wait for the javascript error when I try to switch gears on the touchscreen of my future car!


People on hackernews think tech is the whole economy.


It's never going back to the level of the pandemic again. It might improve... but those days are over forever. They were hiring people as SWEs who could hardly read and write.


I mean, it also happened in the .com era. Technology lends itself to boom/busts for some reason.


This is definitely not true universally.

The highest earners I know are self-employed or own small businesses and were 'alone' for most of their career. This includes a craftsman who owns small machine shops for boat parts, a high-end coach and a hairstylist who provides staffing for modeling/concerts. Absolutely none of them are 'office' personnel.

I do enjoy the social aspect of the office but I find that motivation comes from within.


Technical hobbyists also have a genuine interest in technical work.

Contrast this with the flood of new college graduates who have minimal interest in engineering, yet want the high salaries that tech was famous for (until recently).


I really wish I was more passionate about tech, but I'm not. I open IDE in my private time about once per year. Computers just aren't that fun to me anymore, they became the symbol of the absurdity of modern society. I greatly prefer to have a walk outside.

This is sad and I'd love to have my hobby back, but I don't see a way I could change this.


Well, anal_reactor, it can be about more than tech for techs sake. My side projects help actual people in the real world, so working on them feels like more than twiddling bits.


Top reps at Caterpillar, Komatsu, and John Deere actually do make that much. I used to work in that industry.

Most people here are in tech and have no idea how heavily incentivized industrial sales is. Selling a fleet of D10 dozers to an excavation operation and selling a maintenance agreement is going to net caterpillar $1.7mm a dozer multiplied by number of dozers. They aren't paying someone 60k a year and free kombucha for managing those sorts of accounts.

These are the TOP folks though. I don't think most entry level college grads are going to making that any time size.


I believed the author of the blog was referring to tech roles specifically (not sales or similar).

I can say from personal experience that, at least in Australia, tech workers for mining companies that work in city offices are paid fairly similarly to other non-FAANG tech workers (e.g. banks etc). I also just checked levels.fyi for a few big mining companies and verified that this is the case.

Engineers (mining, geo, tech, whatever) that work out in the field do make quite a bit more. MAYBE around what FAANG would pay, but FAANG still pays more after a few years of refreshers and/if one manages to climb the ladder.

I think the author is quite off with their estimates of what people make in "heavy industries". At least as far as my experience goes for AU. FAANG/HFT still beats everything, and by a vast margin.


Chelsea Manning leaded a bunch of random diplomatic cables and medical information on the families of servicemembers.

How does any of that constitute a 'war crime'?

Please, name the war crimes that Chelsea Manning exposed.


Manning leaked multiple files relating to the execution of surrendering fighters and murder of civilians. "Collateral Murder" being the big one.


The diplomatic cables contain all sorts of information about extraordinary rendition, about the use Turkish airbases, Irish complicity, etc.

This isn't small potatoes. Here in Sweden it wasn't just the extradition from Bromma in 2001, but the US flew multiple illegal flights with prisoners through Sweden, possibly to the US torture camps in Poland and eastern Europe.

I also think these cables revealed information about the Thailand black site, where the US was torturing some people.


fascinating how Swedes are so concerned about the small number of crimes committed by the US and want the US to withdraw.

Yet they remain steadfastly silent on the crimes committed by Russia and China.

Should the US withdraw from geopolitics and allow those other two to fill the vacuum?

Like Julian Assange himself - I suspect many Russia supporters are hiding in plain sight.


>fascinating how Swedes are so concerned about the small number of crimes committed by the US and want the US to withdraw.

Withdraw from what?

>Yet they remain steadfastly silent on the crimes committed by Russia and China.

How have we been silent on those crimes. We have been quite concerned, they are almost next to us.

I don't myself want to be part of NATO, but evidently the government is to afraid not to be, so now we are.

>Should the US withdraw from geopolitics and allow those other two to fill the vacuum?

The US has not gained anything of geopolitical value by storing people in the Guantanamo Bay prison camp or by flying suspect terrorist to torture camps in Europe, or by inhuman treatment of prisoners, as happened at Bromma. It hasn't gained anything geopolitically by going after people who revealed war crimes.

The US actions that I oppose are for the large part neither of benefit to the US itself, nor to me. On the whole these actions are just stupid.

To the degree that I want to avoid US troops in Sweden, this stupidity, these useless and harmful decisions that get implemented are one of the problems. Because if the US can this stupid on matters like Assange, or can desperately want to torture some random nobody, and are in such a hurry to do so, that they fly him through Bromma just because can refuel there, then they can do any kind of idiocy, and it can end up being me, or something Swedish that matters that pays the price.

The US can defend its interests in a more co-operative way and with greater respect for international law and for its partners.

>Like Julian Assange himself - I suspect many Russia supporters are hiding in plain sight.

If you're implying that I would like Putin, who I consider basically a Chechen-cuddler. I've had less problems with him historically, and I don't think I fully understood how vengeful he was until he did as he did against the Karabach-Armenians. I'm probably more pro-Russia than Zelensky is-- I don't hate the Russians and I like many aspects of Russian culture, including their mathematics tradition and some of their music.

I don't see the Ukraine war as per se very different from the Iraq war. This means that I view Russia and the US as closer on the level of morality than most people, who I feel have a bit of short term view of the world. These things 20 years ago are like yesterday to me. Details matter though, and scale, and many other things.

Rather, when it comes to support of Ukraine my view is not based on morality as such, although I do believe that the Ukrainians have a right to rule their country, but rather on Swedish defence needs. We Swedes need to support them and ensure that Russia does not expand and get a border against Poland or some other unnecessarily forward position. There is no reason why we should allow such a situation, which will only cause us problems.


> If you're implying that I would like Putin, who I consider basically a Chechen-cuddler.

Oh yeah, that's the big problem with him. Sheesh...

> I don't see the Ukraine war as per se very different from the Iraq war.

Yeah, I distinctly remember how Shrub denied that the Iraqi people exist, claimed they were all Americans anyway, and set out to annex Iraq to the USA. And who can forget the moving ceremony when he bestowed Statehood upon those four Iraqi provinces? Sheesh... Try as I might, I can't come up with any reason for why you would want to pretend to be this stupid, so...

> This means that I view Russia and the US as closer on the level of morality than most people, who I feel have a bit of short term view of the world.

Yeah no, that means it's you who are... If not morally blind, at least severely short-sighted.


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