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I love this. This is what we need more of. My only concern is who will challenge their thinking? Who will teach them critical thinking skills? Who will give them a broader more holistic understanding of the world if not at a university?

I fear we will get ( because we need them ) many thousands more skilled workers in the trades to build more again but they’ll also be too easily bamboozled by charlatans like Trump and vote in policies that will screw us all



I don't think there's unanimous consensus that universities teach "critical thinking skills."


Isn't this backwards? People who want the broader education will naturally gravitate towards college. It's not that college actually teaches these things, it's just a magnet for people who care about them.

Most people will still be going through education with specific career goals in mind, however lamentable that is. And then they will claim they also learned critical thinking.


Mandatory humanities electives broaden horizons at least a bit. Most trades programs don't make you take stuff that's specifically relevant to the certification; although if you're getting an Associates degree at the same time, you probably will need those.


> Who will give them a broader more holistic understanding of the world if not at a university?

I'm going to guess the kids that are inherently interested in this will research it themselves. The ones who are not, won't. I'm one of the former.


Those who want education on subjects they are not employed in or "a broader more holistic understanding of the world" (whatever that means) will get it themselves. Those who don't want it won't get it even if you send them to college. College is just 4 more years of school after you've already done 13 in K-12. It has no special properties.


High School is just 4 more years of school after you've already done 8 in K-8. It has no special properties.

Those who want education on subjects taught in high school (whatever their value is) will get it themselves. Those who don't want it won't get it even if you send them to high school.

Between American states rolling back child labor laws, and the current federal administration's promising vision of factory and coal jobs for children and their future generations, there will be enough jobs that don't require useless high school diplomas.

Eliminating income tax and increasing tariffs to gorillion percent is just part of the equation. Rolling back of high school education is critical to truly achieve the dream of the "good old days."


> High School is just 4 more years of school after you've already done 8 in K-8. It has no special properties.

This is probably also true. High school standards have been lowered so much that everybody with a pulse can graduate so the degree is meaningless in terms of educational achievement. Basically just a filter now that says "I am at least one tiny step above a total retard or a complete 100% screw up."

I worked jobs part time as young as 14. Child labor laws are mainly about keeping kids in school rather than protecting them from anything bad because with our society defined around credentials, failing to obtain them is bad for that child's future. But that's just a rule we made up. There's absolutely no reason that a 14 year old who has finished 8th grade and knows how to read and do basic math couldn't go off and apprentice to a trade and be successful. In 1910 only 10% of Americans had finished high school and we still had a perfectly well functioning society. And at that time only 2 % had college degrees and still we were in an era of rapid scientific progress and economic growth.


Ironically the assumption that a broader more holistic understanding of the world comes from a university or humanities in general is itself a rather under-examined assumption treated as sacrosanct. It seems very reverse reasoned akin to virtue ethic's notorious tendency towards narcissistic self-praise.

A broad educational basis may have virtues but it is very unlikely the only path towards it. Even putting aside how 'holistic' critical thinking tends to be held as diametrically opposed to the practical. Often straw-manning the practical as robotic or inhuman. The idea that the practical is opposed to a holistic understanding is simply not true at all. Ask anybody who took and understood Calculus for one.

The concept of the practical as intrinsically bad is a stupidity of considerable vintage, dating back to at least Ancient Greece for reasons which is of course totally unrelated to the intellectuals of the day being funded by slave owners trying to purchase self-justification from those trying to avoid physical labor. That was sarcasm by the way, just to be clear. That same diseased thought of the practical as unworthy should have been put to bed by the Industrial Revolution at least.




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