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What makes it hard to believe, exactly?

One way to explain the hospital surge in NYC is that a small percentage of people have had a highly fatal disease. Another plausible explanation is that a much larger number of people have had a less-fatal disease.

To date, we've had very poor estimates for fatality rates and prevalence. It wouldn't be shocking at all to find out that we're off by a factor of 10-, 20-, or even 50-fold.



Typically a sufficiently infectious disease tops out around 50-80% (don't have a source, just what people, like Angela Merkel have been saying). So this implies NYC is already off the high end of that. Hard to believe.


How is that hard to believe that incredibly obvious with the dropping hospitalization rates


NYC has had ~141,000 infections confirmed. If the high end of this study held for NYC (50x), then the true infection count would be around 7M.

That isn't impossible at all, given that the population of NYC is around 8.8M people. It would mean that the city is approaching herd immunity.

(I don't personally think the ratio will be as high in NYC as in LA, but that's just a hunch based on the higher testing rate.)


That's basically the top end of the estimate of what is theoretically possible without a lockdown and infinite time. I just don't buy that it is already maxed out like that.


It's the top end estimate from the study. Even if you take the low-end estimate (~30x), there would be 4.2M cases, which is still ~50% of the New York population.

Basically, you're just saying that you don't want to believe what they're saying, therefore it's hard to believe. But there's nothing illogical or impossible about it in the slightest.


Even 50% is hard to believe. Illogical or impossible, no. Improbable, I think so.


You keep making assumption. You have to concluded the lock-down did nothing, has done nothing, and hasn't prevented any infections. You can make assumption because the numbers don't align to what you assumed they'd be.


If what you're saying is true, then the NYC death rate will drop to zero in three weeks.

I am willing to bet the farm that it won't.


That seems weird since all data points to that being whats happening.


What data?


Yeah, likewise.




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